Buying Advice Backhoe for BX2350

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TractorGuyEd

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Kubota 2350
I recently purchased a Kubota BX 2350 and have been thrilled I bought it with a snowblower, front loader, mid mount mower and boxblade. I specifically did not purchase a backhoe because I did not think I would have any use for it. Now I am thinking that I may want one for some trenching digging holes for shrubs and trees etc. Does anyone know the model of backhoe that kubota would sell with the 2350 and are there any aftermarket back hoes that would fit the 2350 which would cost less or are better quality? Also in doing some research it sounds like it should be mounted to the frame as opposed to 3 point compatible, why is that?
 
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Without a subframe, it can tear apart the 3 point hitch. I don't think you can or at least easily add a Kubota hoe for it, but you can buy the machine with a hoe built at the factory that way. Woods makes a quality backhoe for a BX with a subframe but be sitting down when you look at the price.
 
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3-point bad. From what I have learned it is because Kubota went and cheaped out big time and stopped using cast steel rear cases and now uses junk cast aluminum. Green tractors went the same way of recycled beer can tractors :thumbdown:...

Massey Ferguson, Mahindra, LS and Kioti still use actual cast steel. Even knowing this about the beer cans for a rear transaxle housing... I am stuck looking at a Kubota because they are the only company at all that can do what I want. Isn't that a crock of crap?
 
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So what it boils down to, TractorGuyEd, is you should sell your BX2350, keep the snowblower, mower and blade. Buy a BX24 or BX25 which already has the subframe and backhoe. Your other attachments will fit.

Pete
 
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Ed - maybe hire a machine with a backhoe for a day and accomplish some pre-planned tasks. Then you can see if the hoe is of sufficient size for your future use.
As Dodge Man explains, mainstream tractors use a sub-frame to transfer loading and stress across the whole of the tractor and not confine the stresses to a concentrated point on the 3ph.

Also consider the ease (or otherwise) of dismounting the Backhoe when not required. Otherwise you are like a snail carrying your house around all day.


3-point bad. From what I have learned it is because Kubota went and cheaped out big time and stopped using cast steel rear cases and now uses junk cast aluminum. Green tractors went the same way of recycled beer can tractors :thumbdown:... Mahindra, LS and Kioti still use actual cast steel. Even knowing this about the beer cans for a rear transaxle housing... I am stuck looking at a Kubota because they are the only company at all that can do what I want. Isn't that a crock of crap?

What an absolutely ridiculous series of statements to make, all rolled-up into a paragraph of pure drivel.

"cheaped out big time" Four words in a random sequence
"junk cast aluminium" 'junk' in your subjective (and unquantified) opinion?
"recycled beer cans" Can you provide some web-link or proof of this bizarre allegation?
"beer cans for a transaxle housing" See above.

And you're 'stuck' looking at a tractor because the manufacturer is " the only company at all that can do what" you "want". Just what is it that you 'want' from a tractor that other mainstream tractor manufacturers can't seem to provide?

I have to agree with you on one thing - What you wrote IS "a crock of crap".
 
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What an absolutely ridiculous series of statements to make, all rolled-up into a paragraph of pure drivel.

"cheaped out big time" Four words in a random sequence
"junk cast aluminium" 'junk' in your subjective (and unquantified) opinion?
"recycled beer cans" Can you provide some web-link or proof of this bizarre allegation?
"beer cans for a transaxle housing" See above.

And you're 'stuck' looking at a tractor because the manufacturer is " the only company at all that can do what" you "want". Just what is it that you 'want' from a tractor that other mainstream tractor manufacturers can't seem to provide?

I have to agree with you on one thing - What you wrote IS "a crock of crap".

Well, lets see... Cast aluminum vs cast steel.... You obviously are of the opinion that the two material types can compare favorably to each other when considering strength. I can't help you if you truly are that...um.... uninformed??? to understand that cast aluminum in a stress bearing member is not in any way comparable to a cast steel member. I don't need web links to explain that, you need common sense to understand it though.

Yes, I am looking at a small CUT in the 25/26HP range that can be configured as a TLB/MMM.
So I looked at:
Kioti CK2510, you can not have MMM brackets on and swap to the backhoe.
Kioti CK2610, no belly mower
Massey Ferguson 1526, no backhoe exists.
LS XJ2025, can not have mower brackets on the chassis and swap to a backhoe.
Mahindra Max 26 XL, low range is a very slow max speed, high range can not move the weight of the tractor on my 17 degree property.
TYM/Branson/Yanmar have no dealers within any reasonable range of me, so I crossed them off of the list.

So after spending days driving around dealers and talking to them, all tell me I can not get what I want from their brand aside from Kubota. Kubota has the B2301/B2601 that can be had in TLB/MMM and have no issue with MMM brackets remaining to allow you go and quickly drop the deck and pick up the backhoe. So based on weeks of digging, I am stuck with a choice of one paint color.

Oh, John Deere can do the 2025R TLB/MMM as I like for $30,000 or the 2032R TLB/MMM for $34,000 but that does not compare financially favorably against the Kubota B2601 TLB/MMM for around $27,000. So thinking about it, there are 2 choices... orange or green.

As for the recycled statement, much of the metallic products made today are in fact old products that are reconstituted. The world’s stock of aluminium in use is like a resource bank. Around 75 percent of aluminium ever produced is still in use, and some of it has been through countless recycle loops.

You have companies such as Croniment Corp that work around the globe collecting various alloys and base materials for delivery to customers that wish to create mixes of alloys.

Your refrigerator outer stainless sheeting very likely originated from Croniment Corp or a similar company.

How it works is a company that melts metals to fulfill material orders for manufacturers calls and says "I want to create 304SS sheeting, I need 100 tons of material to create it.".

The scrap collector pulls 60 tons of this, 20 tons of that, 10 tons of that, 5 tons of this, 2.5 tons of that over there and 2.5 tons of that over there. They put the scrap into roll off dumps and deliver it where it is melted and mixed and it becomes that specified alloy to be used. Then it is made into rolls and sent out for use making your dishwasher/refrigerator.... or poured into an investment casting mold for your John Deer/Kubota rear axle cases. Yes, recycled beer cans are extremely likely to be in that mix.

Your John Deere/Kubota rear axle is aluminum and is far more likely to be a re-recycled product of varying origins than not. I guess if Kubota wanted to spend the kind of money for virgin material... they could. But I sure would not bet on. Being that it is aluminum it is also inherently more likely to fail over time than a much more robust cast steel case. It is what it is.
 
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There are so many variables on what would be stronger, the aluminum vs cast steel that its really hard to say which is stronger, it would all depend on how its made, thickness, quality of the material etc. In my mind cast steel isn't all that strong compared to forged steel. Unless you tested both units to failure, you'll never know. Either way I don't hear of a lot of cases that are failing.
 
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LS XJ2025, can not have mower brackets on the chassis and swap to a backhoe.

The LS MT125 is smaller than what you are looking for, but it can have the mower and backhoe on at the same time. No drive over deck though.
 
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The LS MT125 is smaller than what you are looking for, but it can have the mower and backhoe on at the same time. No drive over deck though.

Yes, I am aware of the subcompact options, but want a larger/heavier package for better backhoe digging. The goal is to be at the small end of the CUT frames and under the 27HP emissions cut off.
 

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