B9200 runs but won't move???

[crawdad442]

It sit for 3 years and now it is running fine but it will not move///it goes into the different gears(3 fwd-1rev) while running without depressing the clutch, but doesn't move what-so-ever...kubota says clutch is stuck and i need t split the tractor....and suggestions from the do-it-yourselfers??? thanks

 

[Ob1kubota]

I hate to rain on your parade but thats about it. If the linkage is moving with the petal than the clutch lining is not engaging contact to the flywheel surface. The pressure plate is probably rusted up and wont force the plate against the flywheel, or worse the lining is shot and you will have that replacement expense too. Even if you could get WD40 on the plate springs you would contaminate the clutch lining of this 18years old 22 HP gear tractor. Sorry I hope some one who owns one knows a trick. If everything is adjusted externally than there's nothing left to do but split the housing from the engine. Get your self a Works Shop Manual ( their cheap for this age tractor ).

 

[Yankee Clipper]

Craw dad,

OB 1 is right on this - the clutch plate is stuck to the face of the flywheel and/or pressure plate. That is what that little latch on the firewall by the clutch pedal is for - so when you store it for a while, the clutch does not become one piece.

I think also the cross shaft is sticking / partially stuck as well because there are no zerks on the bushings. So after you do you clutch work, drill and tap the bellhousing journals and install bushings with an internal X (annulus) to allow grease to get around the shaft journal. That will also make the clutch pedal effort less with a periodic pump or two of grease.

Good luck!

 

[KubotaSam]

I am not sure what is going on here. First of all I assume we are talking about a gear drive not a hydrostatic. I have seen clutches stick but never in the released position. When a clutch sticks the disk bonds itself to the flywheel and even though you push the pedal the clutch does not release. You have the opposite condition. Yes the pressure plate could be totally shot with no spring pressure to clamp the disk or the center of the disk could have broken or stripped but both of these conditions I would expect to find on a tractor that had been working not sitting. I don't want to insult anyone but it could be something as simple as the shifter being in neutral on the high and low range selector. Does the clutch pedal feel normal? An inch or so of free play then gets harder and springer to push down. If the pressure plate was not clamping the disk to the flywheel I would expect the clutch pedal to feel funny. (Perhaps really easy to push down) If the clutch pedal feels normal I think I would pop the top off the transmission where the shifter bolts on and while cranking the engine see if movement is getting into the gears. If any gears are moving the problem is not in the clutch. But I have no idea why sitting would do anything to the transmission or differential either.

 

[Rockyridge]

While it was sitting/stored was the clutch locked in the disengaged position or was it engaged all the while. It sounds like it was locked in the disengaged position, as it should have been, and is not returning to engage position, especially if you can shift into gear without pushing in the clutch. I would try working the clutch up and down as much as possible, possibly even sliding your foot off of the clutch pedal when it is down, to try popping it lose before splitting the tractor. You should do that with the tractor not running, you will be able to feel the difference in the pedal pressure if it comes lose and the throw-out bearing starts moving again as it should. If it does start moving it may take some time and repetitions for it to free up enough to move smooth again.
The throw-out bearing slides along a collar as it disengages and it may rusted to the collar in the disengaged position.
Have you looked for an inspection plate under the clutch housing? I know they are common on older tractors but not sure about yours. If it has one you may be able to use a long screwdriver to work it free through there.
If you cannot get it lose using this method you will probably need to split the tractor.
Good luck with it

 

[texbaylea]

It sit for 3 years and now it is running fine but it will not move///it goes into the different gears(3 fwd-1rev) while running without depressing the clutch, but doesn't move what-so-ever...kubota says clutch is stuck and i need t split the tractor....and suggestions from the do-it-yourselfers??? thanks

If the B9200 is like the B6100 I had it came with a wooden block that was intended to be placed between the clutch pedal arm and the bracket up near the pivot point to hold the clutch depressed. Could it be that the block is still there held by rust or something. It is practically under the dash so is hard to see. The block that came with my B6100 was stained orange. There was not a "hook".

The description is like a depressed clutch and that is the only thing not mentioned as a cause.

Vernon

 

[rbargeron]

..............could it be something as simple as the shifter being in neutral on the high/low range selector ?....................

Lucid post, Sam - clutches almost never fail open. Saw a clutch with a ripped out center disk once (big V8) - another time a release bearing stuck on the tranny snout, holding the clutch disengaged. But the pedal linkage was floppy as you describe. The high-low shifter could be broken inside, the outside linkage would be floppy on that too. Need a few more clues from crawdad442 on this one.

 

[crawdad442]

thanks to everyone for their input...I used the tractor before it was parked and everything worked just fine...it sit outside in texas and my deceased brother wanted me to have it ...I am now taking it back to indiana and will get underneath it to see if it has a inspection plate, and if I can get to the throwout bearing ...seems to me that beraing being stuck is the most likely problem...since everything was working properly when I parked it....and if i push in the clutch all the way, I can shift the gear lever without any noise-with the clutch out-the gears jusr grind a very little .. I will let u know after I get a chance to check it out again THANKS to everyone====this site is the greatest!!! oh are the manuels sold on e-bay very often ??

 

[rbargeron]

........if i push in the clutch all the way, I can shift the gear lever without any noise-with the clutch out-the gears jusr grind a very little........

That really points to the high-low range gearing. With the clutch in all the way, the transmission gears coast to a stop so it they can be shifted with no grinding. With the clutch out, the gears are spinning. It grinds a little as each gear is brought up or down to engine speed. It doesn't grind a lot, and the tractor doesn't move, because something downstream of the transmission is still in neutral (or maybe broken - but let's think happy thoughts for now). As always, prompt cheerful refund if info is bogus. Good luck. Dick B

 

[RobertN]

That really points to the high-low range gearing.

My B8200 has a neutral in the range selection. I have also had it not shift all the way in to a range. Mine is HST, but it won't move unless it is all the way engaged in a range(Hi, mid, or low). Your's should be the same; it is just a little bigger engine than my B8200.

I'm thinking maybe some kids played on it or something like that, and pushed the range lever out of gear?