B7610 TLB for $19.2k or JD 4110 TLB for $18.8k

[aardvark]

Both are similar sizes, prices, and both hydrostatic. Both have loaders (JD 410 vs Kubota LA352) with similar capabilities. Both have backhoes (JD 46 vs Kubota B4672A) with similar capabilities.

Drove the Kubota and liked it, but I didn't like the brake pedals so close to the forward pedal, on the same side. I found it hard to use brakes and accelerator at the same time in forward, and impossible to use them both in reverse. The Kubota was 24 hp and very nice, and easy to drive (but I guess most new tractors are now days). Haven't tried to negotiate the Kubota to the same price as the JD, but I suspect that won't be hard to accomplish. Price, $19,285 before taxes.

Haven't driven the John Deere 4110 yet, but I have driven an older 855, and I really liked the two pedals for forward and reverse, and the brakes are on the opposite side. I have sat on a 4110 plenty of times, and felt it to be well laid out and comfortable. Plan on driving it this week. Down side, the JD is only 20 hp vs the Kubota's 24. Price, $18,800 before taxes.

I went and visited the NH dealer I spoke with on the phone a couple weeks ago, and he really gave me the used car salesman feeling, so NH is pretty much out for me. He gave me the same feeling when I spoke to him on the phone also, but I figured I'd give it a second chance. Therefore, I still have absolutely no idea if a NH TC series is a better or worse deal than the two other machines. So it's out of the running.

Both the JD and Kubota dealers are very good, so that's a non issue. I need to buy before the end of August to get 0% for 36 months on either machine.

Questions are:

1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?

Thanks

 

[Bob_Skurka]

<font color="green"> 1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?
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I think the answer to both questons is based on the PTO HP needs that you might have. With 4 extra hp, the PTO hp will be greater as well, and that would translate into a 60" mower deck instead of a 48" in deck. Or it would translate into a larger tiller, should you choose to add one of those in the future. If you have no intention of utilizing the PTO HP that the B7610 has, then you probably would do just fine with the 4110.

 

[Henro]

<font color="blue"> 1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?</font>

As a Kubota owner I must say the brake pedal/hst pedal layout does leave a lot to be desired. IF you often need to use one of the rear brakes for steering. I don't often, but when I do I curse the layout. You really need to use one foot for the hst pedal and the other for the break steering...unless you are better than me, this is cumbersome at best.

More HP only means something if you can get it to the ground. Once the wheels start to spin...doesn't matter how much HP you have.

Try as many tractors as you can and buy what suits you best. Too bad you got the same bad vibes feeling that I did with Blue. Depends on the dealer. My closest dealer is less than a mile away and sells blue...but after three visits and leaving feeling real negative, I bought something else.

I have no regrets but wonder why some dealers come across so poorly...A different dealer of the same color I ended up buying gave me the same negative vibes...funny that the dealer that I bought my tractors from also sells blue... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[aardvark]

I don't get it either. If someone walks in and says "hi this is what I want, I'd like to give you $20,000 now", what would you do? What this dealer did, was proceed to tell me what I really wanted was a gear drive TC30, because it was better than a JD790. Well, maybe that's true (???) but frankly, one of the first things I said was I wanted a hydrostatic tractor, that was about 24 hp with a loader and a backhoe, and compared to a B7610 and a 4410. I wasn't even considering a 790, although I'm sure it's a fantastic machine.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

You've got a good price on the 4110 TLB -- I can tell you that much.

Cliff

 

[To20Chris]

"What this dealer did, was proceed to tell me what I really wanted was a gear drive TC30"

Well, maybe he just wasn't listening to you, but then again it sometimes pays to consider alternate possiblities. When I was shopping HST was an absolute requirement. I looked at many brands, and finally settled on a Kioti CK20HST, and went and did a deal on it. You can be certain I knew what I wanted, and the dealer understood that. I'm sure I knew as much of the gory deatils of that tractor's specs as he did. Once I drove it, and we settled on a price, he said that given what I was going to use it for he'd really like me to take a look at another tractor. So I drove a gear drive 30hp LK3054. I had not researched that square old beast at all, didn't know anything about it, didn't fully understand a shuttle shift. I really liked the looks of the CK20. BUT - for a modest amount more I could get a bigger, better suited machine, and in truth I liked driving it better. So I went home and poured over the specs, and then I bought it.

The TC30 may not be for you, but keep an open mind!

 

[aardvark]

Chris, I understand that he could have been giving advice to suit my best interest, but the TC30 vs JD790 comment was only one of several things that made me feel uneasy. He also was telling me I didn't want a backhoe on a subframe because they were very hard, if not impossible, to remove from the tractor, that the JD790's loader was only rated to 400 lbs, and the TC30's loader was rated to at least 750 lbs, the Kubota machines were poorly built and impossible to get parts for, etc.

Thanks all for the replies. I went and looked up the specs for both the 4110 and B7610, and they are about equals, except the Kubota loader is rated to lift more, and the 24 hp Kubota makes 18 pto hp, while the 20 hp JD makes 17 pto hp. PTO hp wise, they are about the same. The 3pt hitch capacities seem about the same. The hydraulic system capacities are both about the same and use dual pumps. I can't find the JD top speed, but the Kubota top speed was 10.2 mph, and I assume they are about the same. Frankly, I'm not buying a "race tractor", so I don't really care too much about top speeds, so long as the 4110 is similar to the B7610.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I can't find the JD top speed, but the Kubota top speed was 10.2 mph, and I assume they are about the same. Frankly, I'm not buying a "race tractor", so I don't really care too much about top speeds, so long as the 4110 is similar to the B7610.)</font>

The top speed for the 4110 is 10.?, I can't remember, but it's over 10.

Cliff

 

[aardvark]

Thanks Cliff. Also, a question for you since you have basically the same machine I'm looking at. Do all 410 loaders have the quick change bucket attachment standard? I know on the Kubota the quick change plate is extra. Thanks.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Do all 410 loaders have the quick change bucket attachment standard? I know on the Kubota the quick change plate is extra. Thanks. )</font>

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. To remove the bucket, you pull a couple pins, roll the bucket, then lower it to the ground and the bucket comes off. To put it back on, or to switch to the Deere forks or plow, you just do that in reverse. Very simple, though you do have to get off the tractor put take the pins out and to put them back in.

Does that answer your question?

Cliff

 

[aardvark]

Yes it does, thanks. That's what I meant by quick change. The Kubota needs an extra attachment plate to do that not included with the loader, as far as I can tell.

 

[v8dave]

Aardvark, I have a Kubota 7610 TLB just like you are considering. For a JD I couldn't get anywhere near the price you were quoted or I would have had the same dilema you have. I do wish I had the larger backhoe that is available on the B7800 though. The greater reach would be of great utility. However, I am size limited (narrow passway alongside shop rules out larger tractors).

Private mail me if you have any specific questions on the package and I'll reply. I'll reply direct if you pass on your e-mail address.

 

[aardvark]

Well, I qualified for Kubota's 0% for 36 months on the full $19.2k for the 7610. Don't plan on financing all of it maybe only half. Am sending in the credit app tomorrow for the 4110 tractor. The 4110 has turfs though and I wanted the ag tires. Not a big deal I guess. None of the local dealers will even consider matching prices for the 4110 at $18.8k, so I'll have to drive a couple hours to pick it up, if I do go with the 4110. I told the Kubota dealer I'd make a decision on Wed, so I guess I've got about a day and a half to overthink and scrutinize everything.

Thanks for all the help so far.

 

[DanR67]

aardvark -

I think that the "quick attach" bucket system that JD has is certainly a point in the *Green* column - I don't think it's available (I've been lookin'!) on Kubota until you get up to a LA402 FEL - which is on the B7800 / B2910 (maybe B2710 too?)

SO - while the bucket on my B7610 certainly CAN be removed - it isn't a *quick* procedure. Removing the entire FEL (ex. for mowing) is VERY easy, though: 3 mins to take off - maybe 5 min to put back on.

Cheers,

Dan

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The 4110 has turfs though and I wanted the ag tires. Not a big deal I guess. )</font>
I'm going to say something that you already know. It IS a big deal when you don't get what you want, and you're paying big bucks for it. If you want AG tires, tell the dealer you WANT AG tires. There should be no price difference to you on the initial purchase either. If I'm not mistaken, turf tires cost a little more. I may be wrong, but they are much wider tires, and often a little larger as well.
Don't let the dealer sell you something you don't want, you'll never be happy that you didn't go with your gut feeling. John

 

[MikeFromVA]

I drove the Kubota B7610 and then the JD 4110 on the same day and I really liked the Deere much better (that's why I own one now). The keys to my decision...

1. JD was a much smoother ride
2. Liked positional control on the 3PH much more than the quarter inching valve.
3. The brake/accelorator pedal configuration gave me great pause about the engineering of the Kubota. How can you give someone independant brakes but put them right next to the accelorator pedal? There is ABSOLUTELY no way to brake the left tire only while trying to go anywhere - what were they thinking? Gave me pause about other engineering issues that I hadn't considered...

The 4115 gives you 3 or 4 more HP than the 4110 and will probably run you about the same as your current Kubota quote. The 4110 is a great machine - you'll love it.

BTW - top speed is listed at 12mph FWIW. Also, make sure to pay close attention to the hydraulic flow on the machines you are comparing since you be using a BH.

 

[bandit67]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The 4110 has turfs though and I wanted the ag tires. Not a big deal I guess. )</font>

I'll also chime in on the tire issue. The dealer had ordered the tractor I bought with turfs. I wanted the bar tires, but since my machine was such a new model, Case only had enough tires and wheels to go on the machines that were going out the door, so they weren't sending out spare sets for a few months.

I knew the turfs would be a bit of an issue when doing dirt work, and although I love them on the lawn, I have a lot of dirt work to do, and they just don't cut it, so I decided to order a set of bar tires. So, as of yesterday, I have a new set of bar tires that need to be swapped out with the turfs at a local tire shop.

So, if you want the bar or Ag tires, get them now if you can, or you'll probably end up ordering a set and visiting a tire dealer to make the swap later.