B7610 TLB for $19.2k or JD 4110 TLB for $18.8k

aardvark · Aug 21, 2004

Both are similar sizes, prices, and both hydrostatic. Both have loaders (JD 410 vs Kubota LA352) with similar capabilities. Both have backhoes (JD 46 vs Kubota B4672A) with similar capabilities.

Drove the Kubota and liked it, but I didn't like the brake pedals so close to the forward pedal, on the same side. I found it hard to use brakes and accelerator at the same time in forward, and impossible to use them both in reverse. The Kubota was 24 hp and very nice, and easy to drive (but I guess most new tractors are now days). Haven't tried to negotiate the Kubota to the same price as the JD, but I suspect that won't be hard to accomplish. Price, $19,285 before taxes.

Haven't driven the John Deere 4110 yet, but I have driven an older 855, and I really liked the two pedals for forward and reverse, and the brakes are on the opposite side. I have sat on a 4110 plenty of times, and felt it to be well laid out and comfortable. Plan on driving it this week. Down side, the JD is only 20 hp vs the Kubota's 24. Price, $18,800 before taxes.

I went and visited the NH dealer I spoke with on the phone a couple weeks ago, and he really gave me the used car salesman feeling, so NH is pretty much out for me. He gave me the same feeling when I spoke to him on the phone also, but I figured I'd give it a second chance. Therefore, I still have absolutely no idea if a NH TC series is a better or worse deal than the two other machines. So it's out of the running.

Both the JD and Kubota dealers are very good, so that's a non issue. I need to buy before the end of August to get 0% for 36 months on either machine.

Questions are:

1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?

Thanks

Bob_Skurka · Aug 21, 2004

1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?


I think the answer to both questons is based on the PTO HP needs that you might have. With 4 extra hp, the PTO hp will be greater as well, and that would translate into a 60" mower deck instead of a 48" in deck. Or it would translate into a larger tiller, should you choose to add one of those in the future. If you have no intention of utilizing the PTO HP that the B7610 has, then you probably would do just fine with the 4110.

Henro · Aug 21, 2004

1) is the extra 4 hp of the Kubota a *huge* benefit?
2) does the better pedal layout on the JD overcome the 4hp shortcoming?

As a Kubota owner I must say the brake pedal/hst pedal layout does leave a lot to be desired. IF you often need to use one of the rear brakes for steering. I don't often, but when I do I curse the layout. You really need to use one foot for the hst pedal and the other for the break steering...unless you are better than me, this is cumbersome at best.

More HP only means something if you can get it to the ground. Once the wheels start to spin...doesn't matter how much HP you have.

Try as many tractors as you can and buy what suits you best. Too bad you got the same bad vibes feeling that I did with Blue. Depends on the dealer. My closest dealer is less than a mile away and sells blue...but after three visits and leaving feeling real negative, I bought something else.

I have no regrets but wonder why some dealers come across so poorly...A different dealer of the same color I ended up buying gave me the same negative vibes...funny that the dealer that I bought my tractors from also sells blue... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

aardvark · Aug 21, 2004

I don't get it either. If someone walks in and says "hi this is what I want, I'd like to give you $20,000 now", what would you do? What this dealer did, was proceed to tell me what I really wanted was a gear drive TC30, because it was better than a JD790. Well, maybe that's true (???) but frankly, one of the first things I said was I wanted a hydrostatic tractor, that was about 24 hp with a loader and a backhoe, and compared to a B7610 and a 4410. I wasn't even considering a 790, although I'm sure it's a fantastic machine.

Cliff_Johns · Aug 21, 2004

You've got a good price on the 4110 TLB -- I can tell you that much.

Cliff

To20Chris · Aug 21, 2004

"What this dealer did, was proceed to tell me what I really wanted was a gear drive TC30"

Well, maybe he just wasn't listening to you, but then again it sometimes pays to consider alternate possiblities. When I was shopping HST was an absolute requirement. I looked at many brands, and finally settled on a Kioti CK20HST, and went and did a deal on it. You can be certain I knew what I wanted, and the dealer understood that. I'm sure I knew as much of the gory deatils of that tractor's specs as he did. Once I drove it, and we settled on a price, he said that given what I was going to use it for he'd really like me to take a look at another tractor. So I drove a gear drive 30hp LK3054. I had not researched that square old beast at all, didn't know anything about it, didn't fully understand a shuttle shift. I really liked the looks of the CK20. BUT - for a modest amount more I could get a bigger, better suited machine, and in truth I liked driving it better. So I went home and poured over the specs, and then I bought it.

The TC30 may not be for you, but keep an open mind!

aardvark · Aug 22, 2004

Chris, I understand that he could have been giving advice to suit my best interest, but the TC30 vs JD790 comment was only one of several things that made me feel uneasy. He also was telling me I didn't want a backhoe on a subframe because they were very hard, if not impossible, to remove from the tractor, that the JD790's loader was only rated to 400 lbs, and the TC30's loader was rated to at least 750 lbs, the Kubota machines were poorly built and impossible to get parts for, etc.

Thanks all for the replies. I went and looked up the specs for both the 4110 and B7610, and they are about equals, except the Kubota loader is rated to lift more, and the 24 hp Kubota makes 18 pto hp, while the 20 hp JD makes 17 pto hp. PTO hp wise, they are about the same. The 3pt hitch capacities seem about the same. The hydraulic system capacities are both about the same and use dual pumps. I can't find the JD top speed, but the Kubota top speed was 10.2 mph, and I assume they are about the same. Frankly, I'm not buying a "race tractor", so I don't really care too much about top speeds, so long as the 4110 is similar to the B7610.

Cliff_Johns · Aug 22, 2004

( I can't find the JD top speed, but the Kubota top speed was 10.2 mph, and I assume they are about the same. Frankly, I'm not buying a "race tractor", so I don't really care too much about top speeds, so long as the 4110 is similar to the B7610.)

The top speed for the 4110 is 10.?, I can't remember, but it's over 10.

Cliff

aardvark · Aug 22, 2004

Thanks Cliff. Also, a question for you since you have basically the same machine I'm looking at. Do all 410 loaders have the quick change bucket attachment standard? I know on the Kubota the quick change plate is extra. Thanks.

Cliff_Johns · Aug 22, 2004

( Do all 410 loaders have the quick change bucket attachment standard? I know on the Kubota the quick change plate is extra. Thanks. )

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. To remove the bucket, you pull a couple pins, roll the bucket, then lower it to the ground and the bucket comes off. To put it back on, or to switch to the Deere forks or plow, you just do that in reverse. Very simple, though you do have to get off the tractor put take the pins out and to put them back in.

Does that answer your question?

Cliff