yellowsocks93
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Anyone have the Colt .223 military style rifle? How do you like it. I am looking at the M4 Target model.
Anyone out there with a Colt Rifle?
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I had one a few years ago.
Tended to jam fairly often so I ended up selling it.
I thought about buying another AR style rifle...maybe an Armalite or Bushmaster. However, I'm thinking more of the FN FAL style rifle.
Either way, I'll probably wait to see what happens to the "Assault" Rifle ban first. Hopefully, it'll sunset in 2004 since it should never been allowed to pass in the first place.
If it does die, the "evil" rifle prices will likely drop to a more reasonable level.
Tended to jam fairly often so I ended up selling it.
I thought about buying another AR style rifle...maybe an Armalite or Bushmaster. However, I'm thinking more of the FN FAL style rifle.
Either way, I'll probably wait to see what happens to the "Assault" Rifle ban first. Hopefully, it'll sunset in 2004 since it should never been allowed to pass in the first place.
If it does die, the "evil" rifle prices will likely drop to a more reasonable level.
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I own one now. A pre-ban Colt Target A2 that has been rebarreled and modified for National Match shooting. I've had 3 or 4 and only had one problem with any of them. I used a pre-ban Colt as the basis for a rifle that I installed a collapsible stock and 16" barrel assembly. I bought a aftermarket bolt carrier from a gun show vendor and it would not reliably extract fired cases. The problem was not hard to find since I had 2 or 3 others at the time that I could switch and swap components from. Generally speaking, an AR type rifle of any of the major makers should not give much trouble at all. Beware of rifles that have been built from poorer quality aftermarket parts. Colts may or may not have different trigger and pivot pin sizes from other brands. That's not really a problem, but you will have to be sure what size pins you have if you are trying to swap uppers or triggers.
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yellowsocks93
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I have a semi auto Marlin .22 and love it and want to get another bigger gun for plinking. So as of right now I would not be able to legally buy a Colt rifle? They run about $1,000 dollars now for the one I want.
Docsknotinn
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Roy, I dont follow this much just because my taste doesn't run to this style of weapon. I was under the impression that the assault ban was to be completely lifted soon. I mean to say I thought the legislation was timed out and its a done deal not rumor. Is there more....Or as Paul Harvey would say.....The Rest of The Story /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif The ones I do like in quality are the FN FAL and I think Springfield Armory made some pretty high end stuff as well. Dave
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yellowsocks93
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So if this ban is in effect right now I can't buy one. If it has been lifted I could buy one. I thought I red it was to be timed out in Sept of this year so it should be over. It does not have a foldable handle or full automatic fire so I think it should be legal to buy.
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Yellowsocks.... the "ban" is not really as bad as it sounds, although it is still wrong. It imposed a ban on the importation of several weapons, it also imposed restrictions on mostly cosmetic stuff like flash supressors, folding stocks, and limited magazine capacity. All in the misguided effort to fight crime.
Anyway, the point is, you can probably get a newly manufacturered gun that meets your criteria of an ideal gun if you don't need a folding stock or flash supressor. FNs, AR, etc are all available new or used. Some others are only available use. Some are only available with silly thumbhole grips to conforme to the cosmetic requirements.
Full Auto weapons have been banned for civilian sale for many years; you can still legally buy them but they must have been made pre-'84 (I think) and you must get a permit, and it must be legal in your state.
Anyway, the point is, you can probably get a newly manufacturered gun that meets your criteria of an ideal gun if you don't need a folding stock or flash supressor. FNs, AR, etc are all available new or used. Some others are only available use. Some are only available with silly thumbhole grips to conforme to the cosmetic requirements.
Full Auto weapons have been banned for civilian sale for many years; you can still legally buy them but they must have been made pre-'84 (I think) and you must get a permit, and it must be legal in your state.
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yellowsocks93
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Well, I certainly don't need a flash supressor or folding stock. I called it a handle a few posts back by accident. I just like the way the Colt M4 rifle looks and it is the only semi auto rifle in the .223 calber I like. I went on FNs website but they only make full auto guns. Do they make a civilian model? I know colt has a lot of dealers in my area so I think I could find the best price.
Yellowsocks -
Gun laws - there's a bunch of 'em and they are interwoven to the point where there's a lot to keep up with, but with regards to your Colt question, it basically it boils down to this:
Certain guns (including the AR15) were classified as "assault weapons" by the Federal Government in '94. Those weapons are still legal to own and transfer (from a Federal perspective) as they were grand-fathered in.
After '94 the gun companies "sporterized" their guns (i.e. removed things like the bayonet lug, grenade launcher, etc.) so that they could circumvent the ban. These "sporter" or "post-ban" guns are what are being sold by Colt (and others) now and are perfectly legal to own (again, from a Federal perspective).
Since state/municipality laws vary, although these guns (both pre-ban and post-ban) are legal to own from a Federal perspective, they may not be legal in your particular area of residence.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit.
For more detailed info, here are a couple of links regarding the legalities involved with your purchase....
NRA State-by-State guide
ATF Firearms section
(big download link)
ATF "Green Book" - firearms laws in detail
BTW, the federal "assault weapon" law, imposed on Sept. 13, 1994, will expire on Sept. 13, 2004, assuming it isn't renewed.
Regarding the Colt specifically, they make a nice rifle. You can also get a "new" FAL sporter (put out by Century Arms) - or even a G3 (i.e. HK) or CETME (G3 precursor) They are viable options if you're interested in .308 instead of .223 (although you can get AR's in .308 as well - but not from Colt)
Gun laws - there's a bunch of 'em and they are interwoven to the point where there's a lot to keep up with, but with regards to your Colt question, it basically it boils down to this:
Certain guns (including the AR15) were classified as "assault weapons" by the Federal Government in '94. Those weapons are still legal to own and transfer (from a Federal perspective) as they were grand-fathered in.
After '94 the gun companies "sporterized" their guns (i.e. removed things like the bayonet lug, grenade launcher, etc.) so that they could circumvent the ban. These "sporter" or "post-ban" guns are what are being sold by Colt (and others) now and are perfectly legal to own (again, from a Federal perspective).
Since state/municipality laws vary, although these guns (both pre-ban and post-ban) are legal to own from a Federal perspective, they may not be legal in your particular area of residence.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit.
For more detailed info, here are a couple of links regarding the legalities involved with your purchase....
NRA State-by-State guide
ATF Firearms section
(big download link)
ATF "Green Book" - firearms laws in detail
BTW, the federal "assault weapon" law, imposed on Sept. 13, 1994, will expire on Sept. 13, 2004, assuming it isn't renewed.
Regarding the Colt specifically, they make a nice rifle. You can also get a "new" FAL sporter (put out by Century Arms) - or even a G3 (i.e. HK) or CETME (G3 precursor) They are viable options if you're interested in .308 instead of .223 (although you can get AR's in .308 as well - but not from Colt)
