Adjusting for to use the Uniforest 35M winch in towing

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I've been reading the manual too long, now I'm starting to write the way that it reads.
I'm trying to determine how to make adjustments; more specifically, the only way that I've ever been able to pull out cable is by tying the release rope off. That may be normal but I don't think so. Now I've gotten it so messed up that nothing is right so I tried to start over, only to discover that in order to make sense of the manual you already need to know what you're doing. My first question is, do I need to take the backing plate off to tighten the clutch? Their diagram (see attached) looks nothing like what I have.
 

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Try giving John_Mc a pm he has a Uniforest 35E. It must be similar and I am sure he will be happy to help. I agree, Having to tie the rope off to pull cable doesn't sound right.

gg
 
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Picture?
 
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While not apples-to-apples, the cable on my Fransgard V-3507 (similar pull rating) pays out with a little effort most of the time. Sometimes it won't budge. I think it may be due to the way the cable wraps around the drum if it's wound back in without a load. If it won't pay out, I strap the cable to an uphill tree, then drive downhill about 100ft and use the winch to pull the tractor back up the hill to the tree. Then it goes back to spooling out easily - provided I remembered to release the ratchet. Not that I'd ever forget ...

That reminds me - the next time I have the winch on the tractor I want to pay out the cable and give it a good wax job with a block of paraffin and some low temp heat. I used to do this with my road bicycle chain and it worked very well. I'd take the chain off the bike at about 200 mile intervals, put the chain in a double boiler on the stove with the top pot filled with paraffin, remove the chain, let it cool down & put it back on the bike. The chain didn't pick up grit the way an oiled chain does, so it didn't grind away the gears as quickly as the oiled chain did. Plus moving or working on a bike was a lot less messy. Hoping it might also help reduce the cable sticking thing.

-Jim
 
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The manual for my 35E absolutely stinks. It reads as though it has been translated through 4 different languages before finally arriving at English, and each translation was done by a non-native speaker of that language.

I think they changed something about the clutch engagement and/or brake engagememt/release mechanism between the Model 35E (which I own), and the 35M. I can't recall exactly what it was, but the 35M design was a definite improvement in reliability.

I've had that problem with my 35E in the past. I'm going from memory, since I'm not at my winch right now, and I'm not sure if my setup is the same as yours, so take this with a grain of salt.

When you pull the brake release rope fully, the brake should latch open. On my winch, there is a small shaft - maybe half inch diameter (it may have a spring wrapped around all or part of it??). The latch mechanism is a plate with a hole which the shaft passes through. The plate moves slightly and cocks on the shaft slightly, grabbing it and holding the brake open. When you pull even a little bit on the line to start the winch moving, something bumps that plate and releases it allowing the brake to engage again. Pulling further on the line disengages the brake, holding it in the open position, a little further pull on the drive line engages the clutch, starting the winch moving.

So my first question for you, is: Is your brake latching open? If you pull the brake rope as far as it will go, and release it, does the brake lever stay in its inward position (as it should) or does it return to its outward position (brake engaged)? There are two things to try if it does not latch inward: first, make sure the clutch lever returns ALL THE WAY to it's relaxed position when you release the clutch rope. If it does not go all the way back, it will prevent that latch mechanism on the brake from engaging. Some times, if the clutch handle does not return all the way, I have to "bounce it" a couple of times for it to seat all the way into the "clutch released" position. I'll pull the clutch rope in a bit and let go, letting it snap back until it seats properly. Lubricating the clutch arm mechanism thoroughly usually eliminates the need for the "bounce" maneuver (I just never have lube with me when I'm out in the woods). WD 40 works, but doesn't last long. It think I use silicone spray that dries on for a longer lasting lube. If I recall, I've also had to lubricate the 1/2" shaft and plate/latch from time to time - but I'd check on and work with the clutch return first.

The other problem you may have is if the nut on one end of the spring on that 1/2" shaft I mentioned earlier is not adjusted correctly. This nut is in area in side the circle on the diagram in the upper right of the picture you linked. The picture in the circle just below and to the right is a blow up of that area. You can see the nut (labeled "3") just to the right of the spring. If that is adjusted too tight, the cable will be hard to pull out. This is not something that needs to be adjusted frequently. If it's set correctly, you should not have to mess with it much. From your description, I would leave this adjustment alone until you have done the lubrication and verified the proper movement of the clutch lever.

Hope some of this helps. I hope your mechanism is similar enough to mine that some of what I described makes sense.

The folks at Hud-Son (the North American distributor for Uniforest) are generally very helpful. It was one of them who told me in a phone conversation about lubing the areas to make sure the clutch returns all the way and the brake latch engages.
 
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On my Farmi winch there is an adjustment to put a slight drag on the reel. The purpose is to keep it from freewheeling and birdnesting. I had it misadjusted and because of my inexperience I wound up with a bird nest that took an angle grinder to fix. The drag adjustment is independent of the locking mechanism for towing.

I think the next time I have all the cable out on mine I am going to paint a warning strip on it. I will leave about 5' unpainted and then paint the next 5' red or orange. The thought being when I see the paint I know I don't have much cable left and when it goes back to silver I better be hooking up the log.

Doug in SW IA
 
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On my Farmi winch there is an adjustment to put a slight drag on the reel. The purpose is to keep it from freewheeling and birdnesting. I had it misadjusted and because of my inexperience I wound up with a bird nest that took an angle grinder to fix. The drag adjustment is independent of the locking mechanism for towing.

The Uniforest winches have that drag adjustment as well. I was assuming that was not his problem, since pulling the break release rope has no effect on the separate drag, and he mentioned that tying the release rope off allows him to pay out the cable.
 
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I've been meaning to update this but keep forgetting to take a picture. I talked to John at Hud-Son who immediately knew the problem; there are two ball bearings in the part between my thumb and finger (see attached) which get rusty when the winch is left outside, exposed to the weather. A quick blast of PB Blaster was all that it took to get it working the way that it's supposed to. He also told me how to treat it with never-seize to keep it from happening again, which is now on my to-do list. (Right below getting a shed built so that things aren't stored outside.)

After rereading John_Mc's post I see that he also touched base on this.
Thank you everybody who replied.
 

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