Adding hydraulics on a '66 Ford 3000

chipshopper · Mar 9, 2008

Hi,

I recently bought my first tractor.
It's a '66 3000 with 4125 hrs., clean and dry.
It has no power steering and i do not have the intention
adding it.

On the front leftside however there is a cover plate for the drive gear for a power steering pump.

I bought the I&T Ford shop manual and found that the steering pump has 3.5 gpm @ 1000 rpm. and 650 psi.

I know that i can run a pump from the 540 RPM PTO for the splitter and the cilinder for the dump trailer etc, but can i drive this
pump by that steering pump drive on the frontside?

If so, which pump is suited for my needs?
I understand that the RPM from the PTO is always constant
but what about the RPM of that power steering gear drive ?

I already found an lot of very valuable info here but i couldn't find a solution for this particular problem.

I do apologize for my English but i'm not used to speak or write it.

Regards from Belgium and thanks in advance for the answers.

RickB · Mar 9, 2008

You can purchase an auxiliary remote valve kit with either one or two valve spools and bolt right on the hitch cover just in front of the seat. This will allow the use of one or two cylinders for whatever purpose using oil provided by the same pump that provides pressure oil for the three point hitch; about 4.5 GPM @ 2500PSI give or take. That flow rate will be painfully slow for a log splitter. The highest rated power steering pump that will bolt up to your front cover is rated at about 1250 psi.

art · Mar 9, 2008

Even the early ford 7000's only had a seven gallon system and they couldn't split wood! Well they could but you couldn't be in a hurry or have to big of wood.

chipshopper · Mar 9, 2008

RickB said:
You can purchase an auxiliary remote valve kit with either one or two valve spools and bolt right on the hitch cover just in front of the seat. This will allow the use of one or two cylinders for whatever purpose using oil provided by the same pump that provides pressure oil for the three point hitch; about 4.5 GPM @ 2500PSI give or take. That flow rate will be painfully slow for a log splitter. The highest rated power steering pump that will bolt up to your front cover is rated at about 1250 psi.

Rick, that remote valve kit could be a solution indeed...if it wasn't that slow as You said before.
My intention is not to work with a steering pump but with a Bosch/Rexroth pump with sufficient flow and around 2500 psi.
Maybe a tandem pump.

chipshopper · Mar 9, 2008

art said:
Even the early ford 7000's only had a seven gallon system and they couldn't split wood! Well they could but you couldn't be in a hurry or have to big of wood.

Art,
The small reservoir capacity is a problem indeed, but i also would like to add an extra 10 gallon reservoir.
I guess overheating the oil could become a problem while splitting by the tractors own system.

Soundguy · Mar 9, 2008

The pto is not a constant rpm unless the engine is at a constant rpm.. kinda the same with that aux pump drive.

no magic.. just locked gear ratio's...

soundguy

chipshopper · Mar 10, 2008

Soundguy said:
The pto is not a constant rpm unless the engine is at a constant rpm.. kinda the same with that aux pump drive.

no magic.. just locked gear ratio's...

soundguy

Thanks Soundguy,

That answer takes away my guessing.
I thought that the PTO rpm was always the same.
It's my first tractor and i still have to learn a lot about it.
Can You advice me about the size (gpm) of the pump, or maybe a tandem pump that i can use for splitting, dump trailer, maybe a FEL, logwinch etc.?

Best regards,

chipshopper

Soundguy · Mar 10, 2008

Lots of different things you watn there.

The splitter likes high flow... make sit faster. I've seen people use tractor internal hyds on splitters.. and while it works ok for 'home' use. it's pretty slow.

Internal hyds are usually fine for a dump trailer...For a loader.. you are getting marginal again.. some peopl euse tractor hyds for a loader.. some use a front mounted stinger pump.. all depends on speed vs cost.. I run a couple loaders on tractor hyds ( 4gpm ).. but it is a special loader with only 2 cyls.. thus not mch volume.. so it works out.. if you have 2 lift and 2 dump cyls.. tractor hyds will be a tad slow.. but workable... again.. speed vs cost..

Can't help you with the log winch question.. i know nuttin about them.

soundguy

chipshopper · Mar 11, 2008

Soundguy said:
Lots of different things you watn there.

The splitter likes high flow... make sit faster. I've seen people use tractor internal hyds on splitters.. and while it works ok for 'home' use. it's pretty slow.

Internal hyds are usually fine for a dump trailer...For a loader.. you are getting marginal again.. some peopl euse tractor hyds for a loader.. some use a front mounted stinger pump.. all depends on speed vs cost.. I run a couple loaders on tractor hyds ( 4gpm ).. but it is a special loader with only 2 cyls.. thus not mch volume.. so it works out.. if you have 2 lift and 2 dump cyls.. tractor hyds will be a tad slow.. but workable... again.. speed vs cost..

Can't help you with the log winch question.. i know nuttin about them.

soundguy

Speed vs cost.... Indeed something to consider Soundguy,
but i see it more as a project.
I think i'm gonna have to do some hydraulic calculation and give it a try with a tandem pump.

Thanks again,

chipshopper.