790 how capable? Compared to others...

[grizzjeeper]

I am ready to make a purchase, looking at four choices all around the same price range. JD 790, 4010, Kubota 7610 HST and Cub Cadet 6284 (Impressive numbers)

Seems the 790 has the lowest lift capacity of all? yet its the largest. Is that true? The specs show the loader only capable of like 650lbs and the 3pt hitch lift at 815 lbs? Why so low? Will It pick up a bucket load of gravel? Is the Transmission Syncro'd ?

Will the 4010 lift what the specs say? HELP!!!

Whats everyone thoughts on the Cub Cadet? 28 HP weighs almost 2k lbs in a small frame...

 

[RoyJackson]

The 790 is quite capable, but it is a pretty old design.

Lift capacity is at MAX height (88" with the 419 loader). That's a fair amount of weight over 7 feet off the ground, don't you think? As far as the other tractor, I suggest you look at all the specs, not just maximum capacity at maximum lift height...since you're probably not going to load a dump truck.

As far as 3PH capacity, what is the heaviest load you expect to pick up? Most rotary cutters that fall within the 790's PTO HP weigh around 650 lbs, give or take.

I suggest you figure out what you want to do with the tractor...then read the specs.

 

[_RaT_]

I think Roy has a good point about figuring out what your going to do with your tractor. Your comparing a manual collar shift to a Kubota with HST, there is plenty of difference there. If you need a bare bones utility tractor, the JD 790 fills that need well. I once compared every number of each brand and model of tractor I was considering. In the end, after trying them, I found the specifications importance diminished considerbly. Loader height may play an important role if your filling a trailer or truck, but I have found lift capacities generally are designed around the tractors ability to control the load safely. It varies of course, but overall, the specifications now come down on the list of importance for me. The ergonomics and function of the tractor is far more important.

 

[grizzjeeper]

Thanks for the replys.

I understand the differences between all the tractors as far as HST, comfort etc. Your right about not loading a dump truck so lift hight is not as important. I understand the weight vs hight for safety but I am really concerned about when the relief valve comes into play. There is nothing more frustrating then loading the bucket with whatever material and not being able to lift it off the ground. I am having a hard time associating objects with weight. See the 790 has a larger bucket yet the least lifting capacity, if I fill it with gravel will it lift it? As far as 3pt stuff, well a backhoe will be in the future. Looking foward this will be the only tractor I get ad I dont want to regret not getting something that will lift more later if needed.

 

[PBinWA]

I think a safer comparison of models is something like this:

JD 790 vs. Kubota L2800 Gear vs. New Holland TC29 Gear vs Mahindra 2615 Gear. Kioti probably has something in this class too.

These are all in the larger frame class and have similar numbers as far as PTO HP go.

I don't think anything that Cub Cadet has is really in the "work horse" gear tranny class of tractor. The Cub Cadet and the Kubota 7610HST are safe to compare with each other.

I too wasn't impressed with the numbers on the JD 790 and found that I could get more tractor for the less money by not getting the premier brand name. That being said there are a lot of happy JD 790 owners out there and I'm sure it is a good product with probably the best dealer support network.

 

[creeper]

My 790 has lifted any material I put in the bucket, sand, granite dust , stone.If you notice any capacity loss it will probably be when doing something its not designed for....... trying to dig out stumps or pull up roots etc.Plenty of pulling power with filled tires, as many will tell you it will loose traction before you run out of HP.I just used mine this weekend to unload a 15' x 70' roll of carpet with no trouble.This tractor was designed to be economical, if you have plenty of money you may want to step up to a beefier model.

 

[Carlos_Nichols]

Just a quick note. I have a 790 that I bought several years ago and was disappointed with the lift capacity. I have a disk that weighs about 1100 lbs and neither the loader nor the 3 point would lift it well.

My neighbor helped me and we changed the position of the lift arms to give the 3 point more leverage and I was able to use the disk but what a hassle to change the 3 point setup when I switched implements.

Then I found this forum and several members were writing about adding shims to the hydraulic system to increase the lift capacity. Basically that changes the settings on the bypass valve. I followed their instructions, bought the parts from the dealer for about $5 and last week I put them in.

SUCCESS!! Now the tractor is lifting the disk with no problem at all. I believed the lift capacity to be above 1200 lbs and I'm enjoying it. Of course by lifting more, you are risking a little more turnovers, etc. The 790 is not a heavy or big tractor but it's a great value and has a good reputation.

Enjoy and thanks to the ones that wrote in!

Carlos /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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Just for a quick discussion on how confusing the specs can be, take a read of this thread, the good stuff doesn't start until the bottom of page 2 and at the end there are some real world examples where specs were actually matched up in a true to life apple-to-apple comparision: Bucket Capacity versus REAL Capacity

Be VERY careful when you compare the numbers of any tractor from any manufacturer you may find you are not looking at the correct numbers, and they may only be providing you numbers that are not particularily accurate in real world useage.

Your best bet is to try to figure out what you really need to lift (both on the FEL and on the 3pt). Then look at the lift stats and then ANALYSE the stats to see if they are accurate, and if they are not and make sure you really compare apples to apples. I think it sucks what some of the manufacturers are doing with numbers. Remember the old saying: liars figure and figures lie? Well that certainly applies to some of the stats.