7010 air conditioning

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jwcinpk

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2009 Mahindra 3316 HST-2008 Mahindra 7010 cab - 2004 Mahindra 6000 4X4
My air conditioning is on the fritz. It cools good until about 20 mins of running. After that it only blows warm air. Compressor is engaging. Filter at back of cab is clean. Belt is tight (actually new). Know very little about air systems. Anyone have any suggestions other than the obvious take it to the dealer?
 
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My air conditioning is on the fritz. It cools good until about 20 mins of running. After that it only blows warm air. Compressor is engaging. Filter at back of cab is clean. Belt is tight (actually new). Know very little about air systems. Anyone have any suggestions other than the obvious take it to the dealer?

When it stops blowing cold.............turn it off and let it thaw out for about 10 minutes, then turn it back on. Sounds like it is freezing up, which means something isn't right and needs servicing.
hugs, Brandi
 
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When it stops blowing cold.............turn it off and let it thaw out for about 10 minutes, then turn it back on. Sounds like it is freezing up, which means something isn't right and needs servicing.
hugs, Brandi

Maybe too much freon? I'm buying a gauge today.
 
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Put a gauge on it today, but am unsure of when it is supposed to be read. Sitting without running I got 100lbs, running at idle I got almost 50 lbs, but at pto 540 speed it dropped way down to almost 20 lbs.. These numbers help anyone in diagnosing the problem? Also I observed for 15 mins and the compressor is engaging.
 
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You are tapped into the low side, I believe. Running at an idle, and the controls set at cool and full fan, the pump should be running and your guage should hold at about 30 to 40 , maybe pull down to the low 20ies and the pump should kick out once in a while. If the pump is cycling on and off a lot, you may need a few more ounces of freon.
 
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You are tapped into the low side, I believe. Running at an idle, and the controls set at cool and full fan, the pump should be running and your guage should hold at about 30 to 40 , maybe pull down to the low 20ies and the pump should kick out once in a while. If the pump is cycling on and off a lot, you may need a few more ounces of freon.

Yes Im on the low side. At idle Im in the 50 range. Does that mean there is too much?
I'll check compressor run times and post.
 
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A/C diagnosis is not a simple matter of reading a gauge and knowing for sure if the system is low on refrig. or overcharged - you have to troubleshoot and actually diagnose the problem - you need to know how to work on an a/c system. Same thing with all the guys pulling "codes" from the ECM on a vehicle and relating say, for instance a code indicating " O2 sensor not switching rich/lean" as to being a bad O2 sensor and go replace it without actually diagnosing anything. Many things can cause an O2 sensor to not switch rich/lean and not be a thing wrong with the O2 sensor. You can hurt yourself and/or cause more serious damage to an a/c system by adding refrigerant trying to get it to cool without knowing what you're doing. With R134a the charge really needs to be removed and accurately weighed and reinstalled for the actual system requirement - it's not the same as adding a few oz's of R12 in the old systems - they were more forgiving. You need to know actual ambient air temp and relative humidity, need to check the evaporator for air flow restrictions/dirt and condensate drainage, check the condenser for good airflow/trash accumulation etc. If your evaporator is freezing-up like you guess, it could be restricted airflow thru it, could be a sticking expansion valve if it has one or a restricted expansion tube if it has that instead - they have extremely fine screens in either and get partially clogged very easily and will cause an evaporator to freeze-up. I've seen alot of screens clogged with just the fibers from the dessicant bag inside a system from normal operation. And of course a little low on refrig can cause it as well. Ideal pressures for an R12 system will usually run around 26 -28 psi on the low side with around 225 - 275 psi on the high side, depending on ambient and humidity. These readings would be at a fast idle of around 1100 - 1200 rpms. On an R134a system the pressures will run a little higher when fully charged and operating properly - about 28 -32 psi low side and quite often the high side will be over 300 psi. Other factors come into play with these readings too, air flow across the condenser makes a huge difference especially. Now if you have a resticted expansion tube and start adding refrig to try to get it to cool and your compressor is still good you can have pressures in excess of 450 psi or more right under your nose - pretty dangerous stuff. It's usually worth it to spend the $30 checkout fee (+/-) for a professional to check your a/c system - find someone that knows how the systems operate.
 
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A/C diagnosis is not a simple matter of reading a gauge and knowing for sure if the system is low on refrig. or overcharged - you have to troubleshoot and actually diagnose the problem - you need to know how to work on an a/c system. Same thing with all the guys pulling "codes" from the ECM on a vehicle and relating say, for instance a code indicating " O2 sensor not switching rich/lean" as to being a bad O2 sensor and go replace it without actually diagnosing anything. Many things can cause an O2 sensor to not switch rich/lean and not be a thing wrong with the O2 sensor. You can hurt yourself and/or cause more serious damage to an a/c system by adding refrigerant trying to get it to cool without knowing what you're doing. With R134a the charge really needs to be removed and accurately weighed and reinstalled for the actual system requirement - it's not the same as adding a few oz's of R12 in the old systems - they were more forgiving. You need to know actual ambient air temp and relative humidity, need to check the evaporator for air flow restrictions/dirt and condensate drainage, check the condenser for good airflow/trash accumulation etc. If your evaporator is freezing-up like you guess, it could be restricted airflow thru it, could be a sticking expansion valve if it has one or a restricted expansion tube if it has that instead - they have extremely fine screens in either and get partially clogged very easily and will cause an evaporator to freeze-up. I've seen alot of screens clogged with just the fibers from the dessicant bag inside a system from normal operation. And of course a little low on refrig can cause it as well. Ideal pressures for an R12 system will usually run around 26 -28 psi on the low side with around 225 - 275 psi on the high side, depending on ambient and humidity. These readings would be at a fast idle of around 1100 - 1200 rpms. On an R134a system the pressures will run a little higher when fully charged and operating properly - about 28 -32 psi low side and quite often the high side will be over 300 psi. Other factors come into play with these readings too, air flow across the condenser makes a huge difference especially. Now if you have a resticted expansion tube and start adding refrig to try to get it to cool and your compressor is still good you can have pressures in excess of 450 psi or more right under your nose - pretty dangerous stuff. It's usually worth it to spend the $30 checkout fee (+/-) for a professional to check your a/c system - find someone that knows how the systems operate.

Thanks and you're right. I just want to make sure it's not something simple before sending it to the dealer. It's still under warranty so I wouldnt be out that much. I just wanted to finish my hay as quick as psossible. Another reason for not running to a specialist is there aren't any for atleast 50 to 75 miles from me.
Also just for kicks I'm in the 45 psi range at slow idle.
 
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Any shop that does automotive AC should be able to work on it.
 
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My brother came today and checked it out. He says it is the high pressure switch going bad. The high pressure switch is made on the accumulator dryer. He showed me I could make it run but it's just gonna get worse.
After it cycles a number of times the switch shuts it off. Once I notice the warming of the air I can put a hot wire to the compressor to engage it (then take it away) and it will run normally for a while longer.
Hope this is gonna be covered under warranty!
 
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My brother came today and checked it out. He says it is the high pressure switch going bad. The high pressure switch is made on the accumulator dryer. He showed me I could make it run but it's just gonna get worse.
After it cycles a number of times the switch shuts it off. Once I notice the warming of the air I can put a hot wire to the compressor to engage it (then take it away) and it will run normally for a while longer.
Hope this is gonna be covered under warranty!

If the switch is in an accumulator/drier this is in the low side of the system and this switch cuts the comp out when pressure is too low, ie either restricted flow thru expansion tube or low refrig charge or bad airflow across the evaporator. If the switch is located in a receiver/drier it is located in the high side of the system which kills the comp when high side pressure gets too high - many causes - poor airflow across condenser, too much refrig in system, badly blocked expansion tube or valve etc. If it really is in an accumulator (low side) you can jump across it to run the comp continually and you'll see your low side pressure drop below mid-20 psi range. If you'll look at your gauges you'll see a temp reading coinciding with the pressure scale for each of the different refrigerants - this is the temp of the refrig at the evaporator. If you're dropping pressure the temp drops and the evaporator can freeze up what moisture is in the air. That's why one will cool some when the comp first kicks in then quit blowing cool until the comp cycles off and the evaporator warms back up and the switch kicks it in again. It is not recommended to jump across a high pressure switch except quickly, strictly for diagnosing a bad switch. Virtually all a/c systems use approx a 5/16" line in the high pressure side and approx. a 13/16" line in the low pressure side of the system - you should be able to confirm which side your switch is located in from the line size feeding the unit the switch is mounted to. If your low side is truly reading around 45 psi at idle with the comp running constantly (jumped switch) I would recommend running the engine up to the high idle (about 1100 rpm) and see what it reads. If it's still around 45 psi, you either have a stuck open expansion valve or too much refrig in the system. If the reading drops down below about 25 psi or lower you can try adding a few oz's of refrig to see if you can get the reading back up towards 28 psi (+/-0). If not, check into airflow across the evaporator (mouse nests really block evaporators !!) or be prepared to open the system and check the expansion valve or tube. Good luck with it !!
 
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He had gauges on both sides. Drained some refrigerant, added some, on and on. He said he likes 30 lbs. on the low side and he got it there. It runs fine for a while and then quits. He's a Ford technician and has a few years experience working on AC systems.
I'll check the size of the line and post.
 
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Well it's definately a receiver dyer with the switch made on it, Has a sticker on the side that says so anyway. Making it on the high pressure side. At high idle I'm still over 40 psi. Which seems a bit much even by what he was saying.
Air ran great for over an hour today and then all of a sudden just quit again. Can jump to the compressor and it will run a while and kick off. Sometimes it cycles again and sometimes not. Seems odd to me for that switch not to fail completely all at once.
 
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Did replacing the high pressure switch remedy your AC problem on your 7010?
 
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Did replacing the high pressure switch remedy your AC problem on your 7010?

You are asking a question in a 5 year old thread. Jwcinpk has not posted on these forums in over a year, so probably should not expect an answer. :(
 

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