Backhoe 46 backhoe removal from 4110

[Cliff_Johns]

Today I decided to take the 46 backhoe off my 4110. It was delivered with it on and it had never been off -- too useful. I decided however, that before I had the tractor too long I should attempt to remove it and make sure the 3pt and the PTO all worked correctly.

The instructions in the book sound pretty straight forward and, in fact, the removal was fairly simple, though not as easy as I would have hoped. It will be much easier the second time.

Things I learned:

1. Make sure the folding ROPS is UP before starting. The caused me problems until I realized where things were hanging up. The top of the ROPS caught on the control stand. Not a big deal, but I might have dammaged something if I hadn't noticed.

2. Once the BH was off, I had to put a 2X4 (on edge) under the boom to keep the bucket from lowering while I let the pressure out of the system which would have tilted the front BH sub-base up. Again not a big deal.

The most time consuming part was getting the subframe pins out. I didn't have the right tool. What you need is a six inch length of pipe with an ID the size of the stems that stick out of the pins so you can twist the pins while pulling them out. They are very tight (as they should be).

It took about an hour to get it completely off. Next time I estimate it will take about 15 minutes. The time after that maybe 5. Like I said, the process is actually quite simple.

I'll give the rundown about putting it back on when I do that.

Cliff

 

[adegiulio]

I have a 48 on a 4310, so the procedure may vary a great deal. To loosen those pins, try lowering the stablizers as needed to gently take the weight off each pin. I know they say that the 3ph should lift the weight off, but sometimes there is still lateral force on the pin. By using the stablizers separately, you can fine tune the lift, making those pins just slide right out like a well buttered ear of sweet summer corn....Mmmm...corn. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Cliff_Johns]

Actually the 48 removal is a bit different. The 3pt is not involved at all for the 46. Just the stabalizers and the bucket are used to take the weight off the pins.
Cliff

 

[garchib]

Some pictures on the process would be appreciated if it
is not too much trouble /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I own a 4100 and I am curious about the process, with an eye toward buying one.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Some pictures on the process would be appreciated if it
is not too much trouble . )</font>

Yes, well, I didn't take any. The battery was dead and I didn't want to wait, however I will have a building with much better light when I do it next time, so I will do it then, but that might be a month or two.

I wanted to do one of those wonderful photo essays that people do on TBN sometimes, but I think this time it would have been embarassing anyway.

Sorry,
Cliff

 

[Cliff_Johns]

I finally put the BH back on today. It took about 15 minutes. Less time than I expected for a first effort. It only took that long because I was very careful and kept stoping to think things through.

The biggest issue with the BH removal and installation is that if you want to do this inside a building (so the BH ends up in the building) you have to run the tractor in a partially enclosed space. I solved this by buying eight feet of hot water heater hose and a 1" to 3/4" coper pipe converter. The 1" side fit over the end of the exaust and the 3/4 fit into the hose. I ran the hose out the door. It worked very well. The seal isn't perfect, but it was a lot better than running the tractor for ten minutes in my garage.

The new space for the BH has windows on all sides and the 8' garage door, so it won't be as much of an issue, but CO is not something to play with.

Cliff

 

[GoodGuy]

I have the 47 which uses the 3pt hitch to remove it. Are you saying that it's easier to use the stabilizers to remove the hoe instead of the 3pt hitch ??? Curious, never thought of doing it that way, let me know ??
Eric

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have the 47 which uses the 3pt hitch to remove it. Are you saying that it's easier to use the stabilizers to remove the hoe instead of the 3pt hitch ??? Curious, never thought of doing it that way, let me know ??
Eric )</font>

I think the 47 is connected differently. On the 46, the 3pt is not connected to the back hoe at all. Raising and lowering the 3pt has no affect. The only way to lift the back hoe off the pins is to use the stabilizers and the bucket itself. Does that make sense?

Cliff

 

[GoodGuy]

Cliff.....
My response was directed to adegiulio because his setup & mine are virtually the same. The 46 hoe removal is different than mine because it really doesn't have a subframe mount. I was looking at a 4110 with a 46 but wasn't sure if I liked the way it mounted. Do you have any problems with the long mount arms that go to the loader mount, that I wasn't sure I liked ?? How's the hoe working for you overall ??
Eric

 

[Cliff_Johns]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Cliff.....
My response was directed to adegiulio because his setup & mine are virtually the same. )</font>

Oops, sorry.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The 46 hoe removal is different than mine because it really doesn't have a subframe mount. I was looking at a 4110 with a 46 but wasn't sure if I liked the way it mounted. Do you have any problems with the long mount arms that go to the loader mount, that I wasn't sure I liked ?? How's the hoe working for you overall ??
Eric )</font>

I've beed quite pleased. As I said earlier in this thread, the first time I took it off was a chore, but next time it will be easy because I understand how everything balances now. To be honest though, I've nothing to compare it to. I've never used any other back hoe, so while I'm very happy with it's capabilities, I can't say much more about it. It's more fun than humans ought to be allowed to have.

Cliff