3130 "overloaded" with 713 and BH90???

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3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

A dealer is telling me that the 3130 is loaded to the max (actually overloaded) with the 713 loader and BH90 combination. Is he correct or just trying to get me to spend more??
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

Depennds. Are you talking about the engine? Are you talking about the ability of the tractor to handle the weight? If it's the latter, no problem, if your the kind that does everything fast, you need more HP. Do a search and if you can manage to find
Ramon49, you might think Kubota should pay you to buy a L3130. Most of the other L3130 HST owners would effectively argue this point.
 
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Buy the 3830 if that's your setup. I have that setup with the 3130 and loaded tires. I'm real heavy and on ground that is all steeply inclined. So low is the only range I need. But if you have the BH90 out back most of the time, the loaded tires aren't really needed, particularily if you can replace the BH with adequate ballast on the 3PH for other operations. My tires are loaded cause I'm always sideways on 15 to 20 degree slopes. Keeps me sane.

The 3130 is rather weak at mid range on my slopes. At transport speeds high is generally useless, but I'm pushing nearly 8K lbs. Maybe if you were dead flat it would run out fair??. Now, if I dropped the BH that improves, and if I lost the filled tires it would improve even more. The 723 FEL is a must. It's a horse for a compact tractor and I would not consider the 500 series. Also, if you get the BH90 the 723 is absolutely needed for counter balance. Bottom line is my 3130 handles that combination well. But I don't do road transport, don't need to rotary cut a wide deck, and don't even have a use or need for mid range on my limited acerage. If you do, more HP is a must in that ballast configuration. The salesman is actually giving it to you real straight. I'd trust his recommendations. My salesman was good, just not that good. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

HTH
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

I have the L3130HSTF with the LA723 loader, 6' bucket, BH90, 18" bucket, R4's not loaded.
This much is true...
The LA723 is the maximum loader Kubota offers for the 3130. It is a work horse and also underrated IMO. I have strapped and carried a 2200# Brigeport with no problems. Digging with the 6' bucket, no toothbar, in any material I have (no sand)and I can stall the ground speed if I get aggressive.
The BH90 is also the maximum hoe Kubota recommends for the 3130. This machine can dig. The tractor is a little heavy to be junping ditches with the hoe. The engine at 2200 rpm's doesn't know the hoe is there. Did I mention this machine can dig?
I don't go on the road but it seems to do ok on my flat 400' drive in any range, I did try it out. Hills are another story. It is a heavy little bugger and I stay in L. I would say that encountering a decent grade on the open road will mean stopping and changing ranges.
Yes the saleman is correct if he states that the L3130 is the smallest machine to accept the LA723 and the BH90 and I guess that does mean it is loaded to the max. You need to try the machine to see it it performs to your expectations.
I just can't believe in my heart that if 31HP is too little that you will be happy with 38HP. There just isn't enough difference in 7HP IMHO.
Go with the 5030 and be done with it. Ooohhh I like spending your money /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Best of luck,
Martin
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

I have a L3130 HST with loaded ag. tires, LA723, quick attach, heavy duty bucket and Woods heavy duty tooth bar. My Woods 6 ft. box scrape weighs in at 573 lbs.. I do not own a backhoe, wish I did. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The way I understand it, according to Kubota, you must have the LA723 loader to use a backhoe on this tractor. The tractor I have, with loader, bucket and tooth bar, loaded tires and box scrape probably weighs in at about 5900 lbs. to 6000 according to my manuals. It has plenty of power in low, and the loader is very strong for a tractor this size. It digs very well with the tooth bar on. As far as transport is concerned, medium range has plenty of power around this area..... Chattanooga, TN. area. A few weeks ago I drove it about 11 miles on the road. It would reach 17 to 18 MPH down hills and 16 to 17 most of the time. Up steep hills in high range, I never went lower than 12 MPH. Of course, this wasn't with a backhoe.
I would like to have had the L5030, but did not want to spend another $6000 for one....I have limited funds. Mine will do almost everything a L5030 will, just a little slower. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
In my opinion, the dealer is being honest with you in that the L3130 is the lowest horsepower tractor in the Grand L series. It will be lower powered than any of the other tractors in this class. To me, it depends on how much you want to invest in a tractor and how fast you want to get things done. If you need to pull a 7 foot brush cutter, then a L5030 would serve you a lot better. I doubt the L3130 would pull a seven footer very well, if at all. In my manual, the L3130 is only rated for a 72" cutter. The L5030 is rated at 84" cutter according to my manual. It probably would be better to go to an M series for that size cutter.
I did look at the MX5000. It is a nice tractor for the money if you don't want GST or HST transmission. Very strong loader LA 852-1...slightly more lift than the LA853 that fits the L4330, L4630 and L5030. It also has the nice 3 point hitch setup like the Grand L. I think it has the same motor as the L5030 and its about $4000 cheaper than the L5030 HST. Or it was about 7 months ago. Plus it has a little more width and length which helps with stability. 3 Point hitch for the MX5000 is rated at 2315 LBS. 24 in. behind lift point while L5030 is rated at 2980 24 in. behind lift point. Both have category I & II hitches.
I have about 77 hours on my tractor and no problems at all. Don't know if this will help you much, but maybe it will. Good luck with whatever you buy.

Curt
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

The MX5000 is basically the late L4610 model with a gear tranny and the L5030/L48 motor. From looking over the castings etc I suspect is is all the left overs from the L4610's put together.
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

The dealer meant that with that setup the tractor was maxed out (weight-wise) regarding the frame capacity. He also said that the BH90 would be slow as watching paint dry.
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

<font color="blue">He also said that the BH90 would be slow as watching paint dry. </font>

Ii can't comment on that except to say that my L3830 with about 10 more HP utilizes the same hydraulic pump as the L3130 as I recall and can tell you that the loader is very quick. I have learned years ago not to get to hung up on specifications. My opinion is that if you desire a backhoe for your tractor, get the L3830 or larger. Not for the speed at which the backhoe operates which I suspect will be fine, but for the extra effort it takes to move the tractor with the extra weight on the rear wheels. I have a 1600lb landscape rake that I suspect outweighs the BH90 especially when you consider how far that weight is behind the rear wheels. There is no question I have better traction with it on and therefore better ability to get into dirt piles with the loader, but it also requires more energy out of the engine to do so.
 
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Re: 3130 \"overloaded\" with 713 and BH90???

Like RaT just said I think they use the same hydraulic pump, so Back-hoe speed should be the same.

Also as others have said get more HP if you can, or just decide to go a bit slower and stay in low gear almost all ofthe time.

I for one have no use for a high gear that I can drive at 16mph or whatever top speed is. But others are in a hurry. When I just travel from the building site to the road and back I usually leave it in low, sometimes I put it in medium. The road is 3-4 inch rock and has some ups and downs so speed is not really good.

decide to go slow and you should be okay.

steve
 

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