Maybe a better question would be what is a good price for a 3016 with a loader, and then figure how much less a new but previous model should be discounted. The 2816 is a great tractor, but the 3016 has much higher loader capacity and a shuttle trans and a few other features, so the 2816 should be less $$. Price both and if the 2816 is a bargain, I'd buy it.