2665- keeps gaining oil in the crankcase. Any other sources other than Hyd Pump?

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Had in interesting experience yesterday. Was out using the tractor to finish up some culverts, moving stone with the backhoe, pushing deadwood and old logs out of the way for a shed pad, and generally tractoring around, when I looked over my shoulder to see black smoke belching from the exhaust. Not good. Thinking it might be loading up somehow, as I was running the hoe at about 1200RPM, I tried revving the motor up a bit to see if would clear up. No Bueno. Black smoke became white smoke, even more no bueno. As I was turning it around, the motor went runaway, and I just stalled it out to shut it down.

When I pulled the dipstick, the oil level was all the way to the top of the stick. Obviously way too high and the source of the runaway feeding frenzy. On the plus side, the 1 acre white cloud of smoke kept all the bugs away for the night.

Came back today, drained crankcase, refilled with oil to between the marks, checked the air filter (it was fine) and got it to fire. It eventually cleared up and ran fine after 5-10 min. Where did all the oil come from? There appears to be a corresponding loss of oil on the transmission dipstick (gear model)

Which leads to my question- Is anyone aware of any other way for UTF to enter the crank other than via the front of the hydraulic pump? There does not appear to be any other hydraulic interface with the motor save the pump itself.

I've been having some weird hydraulic issues with the front loader, where it starts going spongy after warming up, so I'm focused on the pump as the culprit.

Any ideas?
 
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Could fuel have mixed with the oil? Was it running perfectly normal up to this point?
 
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It's either transmission oil coming from the hydraulic pumps shaft seals or diesel coming from either a mechanical lift pump or bad seals in the injection pump.

Since you mention some weird behavior in the hydraulic system, I would say it's the hydraulic pump seal. Looks like it's a tandem pump versus two pumps, so it's just one seal to worry about.
 
   / 2665- keeps gaining oil in the crankcase. Any other sources other than Hyd Pump?
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The oil I drained out was just oil. I had changed it 15 hrs ago. No smell of fuel at all. Thankfully, UTF is close to 10W-30 motor oil.

Transmission is still low, need to see how much has been lost. One advantage to having a dirt floor- The leaks are very obvious. I have no evidence of leaks anywhere. Strongly thinking Hyd pump at this point.
 
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If you are losing a corresponding amount of transmission oil, then that seems a likely source. And with hydraulics acting odd, even more likely. Sounds like it's time for a pump rebuild or replacement.

How old is the tractor? Make and model?
 
   / 2665- keeps gaining oil in the crankcase. Any other sources other than Hyd Pump?
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As in the title- 2665. MY 2021 I believe. 316 hrs.

Pumps from India on Fleabay are around $485- About half what Mahindra wants for one. It is a tandem pump- one side for power steering, the other for main hydraulics.

The last thing I was doing was wrestling with a stump, which would have really stressed that seal. Lots of bumping off the pressure limits, trying to break roots.

Is the interstitial space between the pump and the motor supposed to be dry? I guess I'll have to pull it off to see what's what in there. Of course, I really need the tractor right now for a large shed move.
 
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The hydraulic pump shaft seat doesn't actual see any pressure, or it shouldn't. The only way for it to see some pressure is if the vent for the transmission is clogged, which is something that should be checked before putting a new seal, so it doesn't happen again.
 
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Forgive my ignorance on this particular make/model, but is there not any breathing room between the hydraulic pump and the rear main (or front main) seal on the engine?
 
   / 2665- keeps gaining oil in the crankcase. Any other sources other than Hyd Pump?
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The pump sits in the front cover. There is a bearing assy and drive dog, and the pump bolts into the backside of the cover to engage the dog. There is space behind the ft cover that is open to the crankcase, I believe, but I haven't had the pump off yet to confirm. Arrow/Hole circled is pump mount location in ft cover. The drive dog and bearings are the long train of parts circled

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Thank you @OldTrix I didn't even consider it being integrated into the front cover.
 

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