1950 john deere m oil problem

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jimt2007

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Happy New Year to all....just bought a john deere m....new belts, hoses, paint, seat, front tires, steering wheel...in short...she's a beauty...in checking crank case dip stick...oil is unusually high...way past fill mark...could the oil be coming from the TOM getting by the seal? Can I disable it somehow? I have no use for hydraulics...this is a parade tractor and just for show. Any thoughs , solutions, experience you can share would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.
Jim
 
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Welcome...

Ours is mostly for show... can't say the oil level was every too high.
 

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That is a nice restoration and more features too:)
 
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:welcome:
To the TBN forum Jim. You came to the right place to get answers.

What consistency does you oil feel like? What is it's color? Does it have a hydraulic smell to it?

Pleas post a picture of your M.
 
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Thanks for the nice welcome and thank you for your service...my brother was stationed in Minot ND...he was in personal...oil feels like oil...nothing different in color...maybe a little thicker in consistency ...it has no hydraulic smell to it...just a gas smell...am going to drain it and start over. The guy told me he could not start it with the choke. This tractor came with original owner/operator manual. Don't like starting things with starting fluid as he did when I first looked at it...so I gave it a try following manual...set throttle 1/2 way, pulling choke out..2 revolutions with starter...she fires right off...love the sound of the 2 cyl. straight pipe and no muffler. How do you add/post pics here? I recently bought a Kubota 2680 with FEL ,box blade and rake...that is the "work" tractor...the JD is just for fun. Thanks for your reply Mike...let me know what you think.
Jim
 
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Super easy to start with a unique sound... also have straight pipe... nephew loves it but I would muffle it given a choice.

Always a crowd pleaser.

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Thanks for the nice welcome and thank you for your service...my brother was stationed in Minot ND...he was in personal...oil feels like oil...nothing different in color...maybe a little thicker in consistency ...it has no hydraulic smell to it...just a gas smell...am going to drain it and start over. The guy told me he could not start it with the choke. This tractor came with original owner/operator manual. Don't like starting things with starting fluid as he did when I first looked at it...so I gave it a try following manual...set throttle 1/2 way, pulling choke out..2 revolutions with starter...she fires right off...love the sound of the 2 cyl. straight pipe and no muffler. How do you add/post pics here? I recently bought a Kubota 2680 with FEL ,box blade and rake...that is the "work" tractor...the JD is just for fun. Thanks for your reply Mike...let me know what you think.
Jim

If your oil smells like gas, then you should definitely replace it.
 
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It probably is the seal leaking, putting hydraulic oil in the crank case. That pump is pretty simple. I had an MT years ago with a similar pump, just a tad different, with an o-ring sealing the pump housing mating surfaces. Here is an exploded view of the M pump, from the John Deere online part book. John Deere Parts Catalog

I'd say you have a couple easy options. You can replace the seal, even though you may never use the hydraulics. Or, remove the drive coupling.

Removing the drive coupling would be the easiest, but, I'm thinking some day down the road if you decide to add the mounted plow, or another attachment just for show, you'll need the hydraulics. But, to be totally honest, you may decide to sell it a few years from now. So, replacing the seal, and keeping the hydraulic system intact will definitely help the resale value. Yes, you can keep the coupler, and put it back on some day. IF you can find it.

It looks like the seal will run you about $16.00 at John Deere.
 
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I have a 1950 "M" too. I also have a 2 bottom plough and a full set of cultivators for it...

I use to get it out and do a little ploughing with it for fun, but now I haven't used it in years.

I'd keep it original, folks at shows like to see them all original, with everything working properly.

SR
 
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If the oil smells like gas a lot then maybe it’s the gas that is making the oil level too high. Could be he was flooding out the cylinders when starting and eventually it added up in the oil.
 
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Thanks guys for all the input...always good to have people with more experience giving good advice...in the short term I'm going to drain the oil and go from there...keeping it original is probably best...will work on pump seal in the spring. I plan on keeping it and just passing it down to my son in law some day. Thanks again for all the help.
Jim
 
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I don't have a model M but I have a model 40 which I think is the model just after the M and shares the same engine, etc. I haven't used it much in the past few years because I mostly use my Kioti NX4510 now. However, if I check the oil after it has been sitting, the oil level is always very high. But if I remember correctly, if you check the level right after it has been run, it will read normal level. I always figured it was because the oil in the inverted oil filter bell housing slowly drains back into the sump. That filter probably holds close to a quart of oil. So, when I do changes, I just fill with the spec for the engine (5 Qts) and it doesn't ever seem to change on the stick. I do lose hydraulic oil through the rockshaft seals but I don't think it is getting into the engine oil or the level would go up over time.

I just looked this up in the manual and here is what it says:

"The actual crankcase capacity of your Model "40" tractor is 4 quarts. However, as it will be necessary to replace filter element with each oil change, an additional quart of specified oil should be added to bring oil to operating level in crankcase at all times. Approximately one quart of oil will be contained in oil filter and oil passages while engine is operating."

I also found a paragraph relating to the All-Fuel version, but I think the point made about checking the oil level is the same.

"Do not check after tractor has been stopped for several hours, as the level will be higher than immediately after stopping engine, due to oil draining back from filter."
 
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Thanks for this info. saxnbees. I will do as you suggest and ck it just after shut down and see where the oil level sits and go from there. The only thing it is not just a little higher... it is double what the full mark is on the dip stick...hence my concern. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts...always good to have another head in the game :)
 
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Thank you too... learned something new today!
 
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Just walked up to the tractor barn and measured on the dip stick. It was getting a little dark but I believe the full mark on the stick was 1 3/4 inches from the bottom and my oil level as at 2 5/8 inches. So, my resting oil level was almost 1 inch above the full mark.

I would probably suggest doing an oil change with the recommended fill (5 qts.?). Check it after the fill before you even start the engine and measure where full is. You might even mark it with a scratch. Then, just check the level before you start the engine from that point forward because you know where it should be full. That is basically what I do.

Then, if your full level creeps up, you will know fluid is being added from somewhere. If no, you are good.
 
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here it is my parade queen:)
 

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ok will follow your advice and keep you posted...thanks again.
Jim
 
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Looks like a straight exhaust...

Very distinctive sound and my nephew won't hear of any talk to muffle it... it is loud and can be heard acres away...

Always a crowd pleaser.
 
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My "40" has a muffler but it still is a distinctive sound. My neighbour says he likes to hear it when I have it up in the field. I think some call the machines from that era Johnny Poppers because of the sound they make.

johnnypopper.com is dedicated to information about these tractors.
 
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By the way, assuming your oil filter is just like mine, when you change the oil filter cartridge, make sure you don't throw out the large washer that is underneath the filter cartridge. It sometimes sticks to the cartridge and people accidentally throw them away with the cartridge. I assume that would affect the oil pressure, drainage, or something.
 

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