1749 Filters

Hilbilly · Feb 11, 2019

Three days ago I bought a 2015 1749 with 185 hrs on it (now has 196). I checked the engine oil level and it was above the fill mark and above the "V" groove in the dipstick. The owners manual states the engine oil needs to be changed when it is at the "V" groove. Off to the City to get an oil filter and oil. The oil filter was $25 at the dealer and their oil was $62 for 9.5l. I figured I was getting ripped off a little but not too bad. Figured I would ask about the price of the hydraulic filters and they will need to be replaced at 300hrs. The HST version takes 2 filters. I just about died when he told me one was $180 and the other was $95. That is absolutely absurd. It's a filter not a gold bar. If they were 1/2 that price it would still be high but tolerable. I would love to find aftermarket filters but don't want to take a chance on damaging the hydraulic system or the transmission. If a filter costs $180 what would the crooks charge for a transmission?

So far I am loving the tractor and hope the love affair will continue.

Motorboatin · Feb 12, 2019

Enter the info at the Wix site for the oil filter. NAPA will have the same filter with 40 in front of the wix part #
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mapper · Feb 12, 2019

Good luck trying to find a cross reference number that works for MF filters, they do like their little gold mine.

Motorboatin · Feb 12, 2019

mapper said:
Good luck trying to find a cross reference number that works for MF filters, they do like their little gold mine.

Oil filter is $12 online

Wix WL1116 & Napa 4116 Oil Filter: FleetFilter - Wix Filters/NapaGold, Fram, Baldwin, and Luberfiner

onionfmr · Feb 12, 2019

Hilbilly said:
Three days ago I bought a 2015 1749 with 185 hrs on it (now has 196). I checked the engine oil level and it was above the fill mark and above the "V" groove in the dipstick. The owners manual states the engine oil needs to be changed when it is at the "V" groove. Off to the City to get an oil filter and oil. The oil filter was $25 at the dealer and their oil was $62 for 9.5l. I figured I was getting ripped off a little nut not too bad. Figured I would ask about the price of the hydraulic filters and they will need to be replaced at 300hrs. The HST version takes 2 filters. I just about died when he told me one was $180 and the other was $95. That is absolutely absurd. It's a filter not a gold bar. If they were 1/2 that price it would still be high but tolerable. I would love to find aftermarket filters but don't want to take a chance on damaging the hydraulic system or the transmission. If a filter costs $180 what would the crooks charge for a transmission?

So far I am loving the tractor and hope the love affair will continue.

My MF1754 HST has three hydro filters. I wouldn't be surprised if your MF1749 HST has three, also. Worth checking. On my MF1754 HST, one is a canister spin-on and the other two are cleanable, one is pleated. Most individuals that I know only change the canister and clean the other two unless there is a problem with the hydraulics on the tractor. To get to the back most filter, it is easiest if you loosen the brace for the loader and slide it out of the way to get the filter out. Having some experience with this having changed the hydraulic filters on one MF1754 HST tractor six times in two years (see my posts, if interested), other than the spin-on canister, I wouldn't buy the other filters until you removed them and get part#s. I ordered a set of filters from a large MF dealer, my dealer didn't have them in stock, and it took them three times to get me the correct filters. They claimed that there were different filters for different years of the 1700 series tractors? I don't know if that is true, just my experience.

Also, there are two drain plugs for hydraulic fluid on each side of the rear axle. They are at the bottom of the axle housings.

Hope this information is helpful for you.

Hilbilly · Feb 12, 2019

I'm more concerned about the hydro filters than the engine oil one. I can live with the $25 cost but $180 is nuts.

onionfmr said:
My MF1754 HST has three hydro filters. I wouldn't be surprised if your MF1749 HST has three, also. Worth checking. On my MF1754 HST, one is a canister spin-on and the other two are cleanable, one is pleated. Most individuals that I know only change the canister and clean the other two unless there is a problem with the hydraulics on the tractor. To get to the back most filter, it is easiest if you loosen the brace for the loader and slide it out of the way to get the filter out. Having some experience with this having changed the hydraulic filters on one MF1754 HST tractor six times in two years (see my posts, if interested), other than the spin-on canister, I wouldn't buy the other filters until you removed them and get part#s. I ordered a set of filters from a large MF dealer, my dealer didn't have them in stock, and it took them three times to get me the correct filters. They claimed that there were different filters for different years of the 1700 series tractors? I don't know if that is true, just my experience.

Also, there are two drain plugs for hydraulic fluid on each side of the rear axle. They are at the bottom of the axle housings.

Hope this information is helpful for you.

I have 2 owners manuals for this tractor and both of them only show 2 filters and one drain plug for the hydro's. I will check when I go out to the shop in a while. Good to know about cleaning the one too and thanks for that. When I was talking to the parts guy at the dealers he also mentioned that one of them might be cleanable. Now I know too.

Did you give the dealer your serial number when ordering the parts? I'm asking since you didn't order it from your selling dealer who should know what parts to get for the tractor he sold you and if the other dealer had that info and still got the wrong parts, then I really need to be careful.

I'll check to see if the spin on filter part number is visible with it installed and make note of it in the owners manual for future reference.

onionfmr · Feb 12, 2019

Hilbilly said:
I'm more concerned about the hydro filters than the engine oil one. I can live with the $25 cost but $180 is nuts.

I have 2 owners manuals for this tractor and both of them only show 2 filters and one drain plug for the hydro's. I will check when I go out to the shop in a while. Good to know about cleaning the one too and thanks for that. When I was talking to the parts guy at the dealers he also mentioned that one of them might be cleanable. Now I know too.

Did you give the dealer your serial number when ordering the parts? I'm asking since you didn't order it from your selling dealer who should know what parts to get for the tractor he sold you and if the other dealer had that info and still got the wrong parts, then I really need to be careful.

I'll check to see if the spin on filter part number is visible with it installed and make note of it in the owners manual for future reference.

Yes, when ordering from the larger MF dealership, I gave them the serial# of the tractor. My local dealer is relatively small and doesn't always have a lot of parts in stock. The way that they order can be hit or miss because they try to get everything into a weekly order. Don't like special orders and will charge you shipping, even for standard items like filters that they should stock, if they don't have them in stock and you want them sooner than their weekly shipments (sometimes becomes bimonthly). That's why I went to the bigger dealership, they basically ship same day (I get next day) and their pricing can be better.

I spent considerable time with AGCO/MF service personnel and service management with the tractor and that is how I learned about the two drain plugs on the rear axle housing. Also, the two MF1754 owners manuals that I had, didn't show the correct hydraulic filters or their placement. I had three different MF dealerships tell me that there is only two filters. I drained the hydraulic fluid, found and pulled all the filters and then took pictures and sent pictures (with part numbers) of the filters to them. There is a spin-on canister filter, then a pleated middle filter and then a third strainer filter. All dealers agreed on the part# for the spin-on canister, the issues came about with the other two. Actually, at one dealership, I showed them where the third filter was. Makes me think that that filter doesn't get cleaned/changed when they service tractors. Trust me, I have a lot of experience draining hydraulic fluid from these tractors. A lot more then I ever wanted!

As a side note, when you pull the pleated filter and if you have it strainer filter, reach in the housing and wipe it out good. You'd be surprised at the gunk that can be in there.

I can't speak for the MF1749 HST, specifically. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it too has 3 hydraulic filters like a MF1754 HST.

Hilbilly · Feb 12, 2019

OK I went back to the shop and crawled all over and under the tractor. I found the 2 small drain plugs on the inside of each of the (brake disc? housings). Makes sense, since these are low points that would not be drained from the plug under the transmission.

But now it gets weird. I cannot find the spin on filter that is mounted horizontally (according to the owners manual) or the 3rd filter. I found the vertically mounted filter on the left side (as viewed from the tractor seat) and according to page 156 of my manual there is supposed to be a horizontally mounted one to the rear of that one. I even took the pic of the mounting location with me, under the tractor to use all the other things in the pic as a reference. I am positive I am looking in the right place but there is nothing there. I followed hydraulic lines all over the place and still could not find it. Or a third one.

EDIT; I went to the Massey parts website and now I'm positive I was looking in the right area but there is no filter there. One more look, then I'm going to plow snow. There's only about 4 " but I've got a new cab tractor with a heated cab so why not.

Hilbilly · Feb 13, 2019

I think I'm not going to wait 300 hrs to do the hydraulic oil change and will do it now. Based on the experience of others I will change over to Chevron "All Season" HTF, which I believe is the oil that solved several issues for them. I might as well get the good stuff too. Does anyone have an email from Massey stating that this is an approved oil?

Now I need to find the other filters. I have to take the tractor back to the selling dealer to get them to install a new loader valve and will swing by the Massey dealer and get them to show me where the other 2 filters are located. I must be blind or they are not on this tractor, which would not be good.