1025r questions - new owner

[mikefd]

Hi all,
I have a new (7 hours now) 2017 1025r and I have some questions.

1. Is the loud and annoying whine from the transmission normal? It seems louder when it's cold, but that could be my imagination. It does not go away when warmed up (at least not after 10-15 minutes of running).

2. I was told there is no break-in oil used in this tractor...is this true? If so, can I change the oil right now to 5W-40 synthetic or should I wait?

3. It likes to sputter when starting (if the oil is cold) but it does start without hesitation. Is this because of the 15W-40 oil? If so...should I change it as per question 2?

Thanks for your time!

 

[Wagtail]

Mate, everything is set-out in your owner's manual. Read it... twice.

HST tractors whine. They'll whine less once you discover the 'sweet spot' operating revs for what you're using the tractor for. Experiment. (mine likes 2000 revs unless I'm running the PTO)

Your first 'service' (oil & oil filter/fuel filter change, grease EVERYTHING) should be at or around 50hr mark. This is mostly to ensure that there's no crap/filings left in the system during manufacture/assembly and to get you more familiar with your rig. But feel free to change your oil whenever you feel you want to... some do it annually as opposed to at a specific indicated 'hour'.

As to the sputtering... well, you do live in a colder climate than I do so I would let it warm up for 15 minutes depending on the ambient tempurature. However, you are heading into (your) Spring so, again, it's up to you if you want to change the oil now.

 

[mikefd]

Mate, everything is set-out in your owner's manual. Read it... twice.

I read my owner's manual for fun. I've read it many times. It's next to my toilet.

HST tractors whine.

My previous tractor was a JD x758, which has nearly the same engine and an HST with similar hydraulic capacity. There was a quiet whine that felt like it was coming from deep inside the transmission, whereas the 1025r sounds like there is some part near the surface that whines annoyingly loud and high pitched, so that someone coming from an x758 would instantly say, "Hey, that's odd...is that normal?"

So I guess it is normal?

They'll whine less once you discover the 'sweet spot' operating revs for what you're using the tractor for. Experiment. (mine likes 2000 revs unless I'm running the PTO)

I'll look for sweet spots. Thanks!

Your first 'service' (oil & oil filter/fuel filter change, grease EVERYTHING) should be at or around 50hr mark. This is mostly to ensure that there's no crap/filings left in the system during manufacture/assembly and to get you more familiar with your rig. But feel free to change your oil whenever you feel you want to... some do it annually as opposed to at a specific indicated 'hour'.

The manual says 200 hours. Which seems to indicate that there is no break in oil. With the x758, you were specifically told NOT to change the oil until 50 hours, or that would interfere with break in. What I'm asking here is, can I change the oil in this tractor without interfering with break in? Even though winter is drawing to a close, a full synthetic 5w-40 is a better oil in every respect than dino oil 15w-40. But...is there a break-in that I would be interfering with? Should I wait at least X hours before changing? If so, what is X?

 

[tletourneau]

The online manual (OMLVU25849) for the 1023E/1025R in section 8 states:
After First 50 Hours

Change transmission oil and filter.

Clean transmission suction screen

 

[mikefd]

The online manual (OMLVU25849) for the 1023E/1025R in section 8 states:
After First 50 Hours

Change transmission oil and filter.

Clean transmission suction screen

I'm talking about engine oil. That says 200 hours. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[tletourneau]

Also, mine whine too. I am not worried about it as every one I tried, about 5 all together, whined a bit and were louder at it than my 445.

It's really easy to look at the one series and compare it to the X7xx tractors but the have a completely different drivetrain. Some of the primary differences are the larger engine, the two speed transaxle and that the X7xx tractors get thier hydraulic power from the charge pump in the transaxle while the 1 series has a dedicated hydraulic pump.

 

[mikefd]

the X7xx tractors get thier hydraulic power from the charge pump in the transaxle while the 1 series has a dedicated hydraulic pump.

Ah, then the whine makes sense! Thank you.

 

[tletourneau]

Sorry about the oil confusion, it's early for me.

You are correct, the first oil change is 200 hours but as others have said I don't see why you couldn't change it sooner. I will probably change mine at 50 hours or annually.

 

[jenkinsph]

I would wait until the 50 hour mark before changing the oil. While the synthetic may be better that may not be an advantage while in the break in period.

 

[s219]

I wouldn't change the oil early, it would be a complete waste. Put some hours on the tractor (at least 50) and give the engine time to work out all it's crap into the oil filter.

Regarding transmission whine, note that it will be worse if you are in too high of a gear range and depress the forward/rear pedal too far and/or have insufficient throttle. That means you're asking for too high of a gear ratio from the HST for the given power available. You either need to change to a lower gear, or back off the pedal (thus lowering the effective gear ratio), or add more throttle. Or maybe some of everything.

A very common mistake with new tractor owners is to mash the pedals like they are throttle pedals, not realizing that they are actually like gear range selectors. The farther you push it the higher the effective gear. Too high for the available power, and the HST will be taxed and whine more severely.