1/2 ton diesel
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kokopelli2
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i hear ford has one on the way...06 i think. jeep might also have something coming out, but on a dakota sized truck.
QueBota
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Dodge has some test trucks running around with a small Cummins V8, reviews seem promising. I would buy one today if it were available. Horsepower should be around mid 200's with close to 500 ft. lbs of torque and highway mileage at least in the low twenties.
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This is a big pickup, probably not a big seller, but it is a diesel My Next Pickup /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Didn't Mazda have a diesel in their pick ups a few years ago?
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Sonoma, I agree with you that there is demand for a lighter-duty diesel pickup. But, don't expect any diesels in 1/2-tons or compact pickups until American diesel fuel has its sulfur content reduced from 500 ppm to 15 ppm in a year or so. Right now with the higher sulfur fuel, it is cost-prohibitive to comply with US emissions regulations.
When my 2000 VW Golf TDI was totalled about three years ago, I said that my next vehicle would be both diesel and 4WD. Few vehicle options...none of them small. So now I drive a Dodge Ram with a Cummins...not because I need the 3/4-ton truck but because I wanted both a diesel and 4WD. I usually average about 21-22 mpg in summer and 19.5 in winter.
Roy, I think you are correct. Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Nissan, and I think, Mazda, all had diesels in their compact pickups in the early-80's. My father used to have an '84 S-10 with a 2.2 liter Isuzu diesel that would get over 30 mpg. Dog slow, however.
There have been diesel 1/2-ton pickups in the works for several years, but they got canned for one reason or another.
Ford was going to have a 4.5 V6 version of the 6.0 Navistar-built PowerStroke a few years ago and pulled the plug due to emissions-related issues. Ford and Navistar reached a settlement on the engine development costs.
Detroit Diesel showed a 4.0 V6 in a Durango at the Detroit Auto Show about 5 years ago. Didn't make it to market.
Cummins is currently working on V6 and V8 architecture for lighter-duty, automotive applications and have a prototype V8 in a Dodge 1/2-ton. There was an article on this truck in the last issue of the Turbo Diesel Register. The article makes it sound impressive. I talked to a Cummins rep earlier this week and it sounds promising that this engine will find a home in a 1/2-ton truck, but not before the cleaner diesel fuel is in use.
Jeep just released the Liberty with a 2.8, 4-cylinder diesel built by the Italian company, VM Motori. I haven't heard one run or driven one yet, but if something would happen to the Ram, I'd seriously look at the Jeep.
Its about time that Americans embrace diesels in their vehicles. Some European countries have diesel market share over 50%...in cars!
Sonoma, do you think you have touched a raw nerve of mine?
Viva La Diesel!
When my 2000 VW Golf TDI was totalled about three years ago, I said that my next vehicle would be both diesel and 4WD. Few vehicle options...none of them small. So now I drive a Dodge Ram with a Cummins...not because I need the 3/4-ton truck but because I wanted both a diesel and 4WD. I usually average about 21-22 mpg in summer and 19.5 in winter.
Roy, I think you are correct. Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Nissan, and I think, Mazda, all had diesels in their compact pickups in the early-80's. My father used to have an '84 S-10 with a 2.2 liter Isuzu diesel that would get over 30 mpg. Dog slow, however.
There have been diesel 1/2-ton pickups in the works for several years, but they got canned for one reason or another.
Ford was going to have a 4.5 V6 version of the 6.0 Navistar-built PowerStroke a few years ago and pulled the plug due to emissions-related issues. Ford and Navistar reached a settlement on the engine development costs.
Detroit Diesel showed a 4.0 V6 in a Durango at the Detroit Auto Show about 5 years ago. Didn't make it to market.
Cummins is currently working on V6 and V8 architecture for lighter-duty, automotive applications and have a prototype V8 in a Dodge 1/2-ton. There was an article on this truck in the last issue of the Turbo Diesel Register. The article makes it sound impressive. I talked to a Cummins rep earlier this week and it sounds promising that this engine will find a home in a 1/2-ton truck, but not before the cleaner diesel fuel is in use.
Jeep just released the Liberty with a 2.8, 4-cylinder diesel built by the Italian company, VM Motori. I haven't heard one run or driven one yet, but if something would happen to the Ram, I'd seriously look at the Jeep.
Its about time that Americans embrace diesels in their vehicles. Some European countries have diesel market share over 50%...in cars!
Sonoma, do you think you have touched a raw nerve of mine?
Viva La Diesel!
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<font color="blue"> Didn't Mazda have a diesel in their pick ups a few years ago? </font>
Yep, all of the compact pickups in the early 1980's had a diesel option...
Mazda, Toyota, Isuzu, Chevy LUV, even the Ford Ranger had one for a year or two.
My first car was a 1982 Datsun diesel pickup. I miss that truck. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
If Ford offered a small diesel in the F-150, I would buy one in a second! Seems to be a lot of potential customers for one!
Yep, all of the compact pickups in the early 1980's had a diesel option...
Mazda, Toyota, Isuzu, Chevy LUV, even the Ford Ranger had one for a year or two.
My first car was a 1982 Datsun diesel pickup. I miss that truck. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
If Ford offered a small diesel in the F-150, I would buy one in a second! Seems to be a lot of potential customers for one!
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"Its about time that Americans embrace diesels in their vehicles. Some European countries have diesel market share over 50%...in cars!"
Yeah, but the price of diesel around here is 15 to 25 cents higher per gallon then gas.
I'd definitely go for another diesel (had a late '80's Chevy with the 6.2 liter), so that's a ½ ton truck with a diesel. However, with the higher initial cost of the engine, along with the added fuel costs, I don't think they're a particularly good deal any more.
To me, it's like a hydro tranny on a tractor...I wouldn't walk away from a good deal just because a tractor had a hydro, but I wouldn't spend the extra dollars on one.
Yeah, but the price of diesel around here is 15 to 25 cents higher per gallon then gas.
I'd definitely go for another diesel (had a late '80's Chevy with the 6.2 liter), so that's a ½ ton truck with a diesel. However, with the higher initial cost of the engine, along with the added fuel costs, I don't think they're a particularly good deal any more.
To me, it's like a hydro tranny on a tractor...I wouldn't walk away from a good deal just because a tractor had a hydro, but I wouldn't spend the extra dollars on one.
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I had read somewhere and I think it might have been on here that Perkins and Ford were in cahoots at one point in developing an engine for the F-150.
There is a thread of this exact same subject over on Ford truck enthusiasts and I have heard of a Cummins being developed and the 4.5 v6 that failed is back at the drawing board for redesign.
I just wish I could remember where I read that about Perkins and Ford.
There is a thread of this exact same subject over on Ford truck enthusiasts and I have heard of a Cummins being developed and the 4.5 v6 that failed is back at the drawing board for redesign.
I just wish I could remember where I read that about Perkins and Ford.
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Roy, I had a 1/2 ton Chevy with the 6.5 diesel and really liked the concept. It had good power, a quad cab, 4X4, and got great mileage. However, the 6.5 GM diesel uses a Standyne (sp?) fuel pump that is pricey and causes issues, as well as a real problem with the heads cracking on the 6.5 GM diesel.
I think very soon we'll see several choices of 1/2 ton pickups with diesel engines. The durability and superior economy of diesel over gas engines is a good combination. It's just when you use a really heavy diesel in a really heavy pickup, your fuel advantage fades. In case anyone is wondering, is it not disputable that 1 gallon of diesel contains more BTU's than one gallon of gasoline. Just look it up. Therefore, a good appropriately sized diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup would be a great product.
I really like Toyota Land Cruisers, but they only sell the diesel version of them over seas. Why?! They've worked great for years, but we can't get them here. Not exactly a 1/2 ton pickup, but it is in a similar weight category.
I think very soon we'll see several choices of 1/2 ton pickups with diesel engines. The durability and superior economy of diesel over gas engines is a good combination. It's just when you use a really heavy diesel in a really heavy pickup, your fuel advantage fades. In case anyone is wondering, is it not disputable that 1 gallon of diesel contains more BTU's than one gallon of gasoline. Just look it up. Therefore, a good appropriately sized diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup would be a great product.
I really like Toyota Land Cruisers, but they only sell the diesel version of them over seas. Why?! They've worked great for years, but we can't get them here. Not exactly a 1/2 ton pickup, but it is in a similar weight category.