12 States to ban diesel vehicles

[Dftodd]

We'll do it the modern way. All of our food will be grown in other countries and deliveries will be done using magic.

I prefer meditation and faerie dust

 

[sandman2234]

How about this? The states who don't want diesels don't get diesels? So the motoring public driving those big 18 wheelers with diesel engines just don't take any freight going to those states. Let the 18 wheelers deliver it to a warehouse and somebody with an electric pickup can come get it, 500 pounds at a time!
David from jax

 

[ultrarunner]

First, my apologies to Ultrarunner and any other TBN member from CA but they don't call it "The land of fruits and nuts for no reason". A place where much, but not all, of the governance is based on spend and then tax to backfill the profligate spend.

What I can't wrap my head around is why the tax payers haven't long ago said enough is enough and voted out the half wits. I can only conclude the people who vote are not the same people who pay taxes and out of self interest they keep voting for more free lunches.

That my friends is why businesses are fleeing CA and CA has seen a net year over year outflow of people from its borders since they are voting with their feet.

I believe it’s fairly simple… voter and taxpayer are not linked…

I can’t speak for California or even the SF Bay Area but I spent plenty of late nights at city council meetings and it was for nothing…

Follow the money in programs and grants is telling and then add folks that have never had to make a payroll and/or toil to put a roof over their head or food on the table and chasm is wide.

The problem when using other peoples money is when the money dries up…

Firms continue to flee… some with very long histories here.

The mayor of my city has voiced support for a living minimum wage of $50.

The wage carve outs for fast food has has hit hard… when a hugely successful In and Out leaves or a new Walmart closes and 7/11 struggle for to theft and robbery… the future isn’t looking bright.

It’s already illegal to operate a brush cutter trimmer or blower here… the future ban of gas and diesel new vehicles is real… so was banning natural gas in new homes as well as solid fuel fireplaces/stoves.

Oregon, California and Washington often move in lockstep… the metro hubs pretty decide for all.

 

[Hay Dude]

How about this? The states who don't want diesels don't get diesels? So the motoring public driving those big 18 wheelers with diesel engines just don't take any freight going to those states. Let the 18 wheelers deliver it to a warehouse and somebody with an electric pickup can come get it, 500 pounds at a time!
David from jax

Exactly.
I say let them make a trial run for 1 year and see how it goes without any diesel powered trucks or equipment.
They’ll be starving and fighting in the streets.

I will admit that natural gas powered trucks are making inroads. Many trucks out west are LNG powered. It’s plentiful and affordable. I’m seeing plenty of UPS road tractors pulling twins on the PA Turnpike. And much of that LNG comes right from under our feet in Pennsylvania!

If Cummins or Detroit or whomever makes US diesel engines can convert them to LNG and offer similar performance, why not see what they can do.

Line em up and let the people choose!

 

[Dftodd]

Exactly.
I say let them make a trial run for 1 year and see how it goes without any diesel powered trucks or equipment.
They’ll be starving and fighting in the streets.

I will admit that natural gas powered trucks are making inroads. Many trucks out west are LNG powered. It’s plentiful and affordable. I’m seeing plenty of UPS road tractors pulling twins on the PA Turnpike. And much of that LNG comes right from under our feet in Pennsylvania!

If Cummins or Detroit or whomever makes US diesel engines can convert them to LNG and offer similar performance, why not see what they can do.

Line em up and let the people choose!

You lose HP with CNG. At least when gassers have been converted. I haven't had any experience with a diesel on CNG.

I've had to pull my share of oil field workers up hills here in Arkansas because they didn't have enough giddy up to make it up on their own. The gassers on CNG would stall out pulling a 10,000lb load.

I would end up pulling up in front of them with my F550 diesel service truck, (17,000lbs) hook a chain to them and pull them to the top.

A couple times I was pulling a 10,000lb load myself.

Those times I had to put the transfer case down in low range.

That oil field company had all 2wd 3/4 ton trucks, cng, so they couldn't put their trucks down in low range.

 

[Fixastuff]

All these people talking crap about CA but CA is actually subsidizing poor red and blue states federally. None of these proud states are turning that money down. lol. Keep owning the libs while they pay for your WIC and healthcare.

 

[jyoutz]

First, my apologies to Ultrarunner and any other TBN member from CA but they don't call it "The land of fruits and nuts for no reason". A place where much, but not all, of the governance is based on spend and then tax to backfill the profligate spend.

What I can't wrap my head around is why the tax payers haven't long ago said enough is enough and voted out the half wits. I can only conclude the people who vote are not the same people who pay taxes and out of self interest they keep voting for more free lunches.

That my friends is why businesses are fleeing CA and CA has seen a net year over year outflow of people from its borders since they are voting with their feet.

Most of the reason for California out migration is even more basic than the reasons you describe. Housing and insurance costs. People can sell their $1.5 M starter home in CA, then move to lots of other places and buy a better home for $500K. We see this all the time in the southwestern states.

 

[Runner]

This should take care of it:

Statement by the President

Today, I signed into law (1) H.J. Res. 87, "Joint Resolution providing congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[Blue Mule]

CARB would be in violation of Federal law if that bill passes. That will get really interesting...

 

[Blue Mule]

Also, this...

 

[Runner]

Also, this...

This sounds great, but even if the manufacturers are allowed to meet less strict emissions standards by this administration, I can't believe they would actually change any of their current designs or plans, because they know this could all just be reversed by the next administration (unless congress acts and codifies this into law right now).

 

[lilranch2001]

I'll try to find it. It would have been on MSN or Yahoo home pages.

Those sources is kind of the first problem…….

 

[Paystar]

This sounds great, but even if the manufacturers are allowed to meet less strict emissions standards by this administration, I can't believe they would actually change any of their current designs or plans, because they know this could all just be reversed by the next administration (unless congress acts and codifies this into law right now).

If you ignore all the click bait articles and read the real implications of this policy change, all it means is the upcoming EPA GHG2027 regs will be thrown out the window and so will the forced switch to electrification.
And the standards will be locked in at the 2010 regulations.
So unfortunately it means we are still stuck with SCR, DPF's and DEF fluid. But it least it won't get worse which it was going to.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I say let them make a trial run for 1 year and see how it goes without any diesel powered trucks or equipment.

Hah, that reminded me of another politician/trial period scenario.

My native country was LH traffic, but they had been smart enough to prepare for converting to RH. The decision to switch kept getting delayed.

When it was finally close to being decided on, one brilliant politician suggested that they'd switch the commercial traffic over first, and if that worked out well they'd then also make the basic car traffic over.

And no, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately.

 

[Eagle1]

Hah, that reminded me of another politician/trial period scenario.

My native country was LH traffic, but they had been smart enough to prepare for converting to RH. The decision to switch kept getting delayed.

When it was finally close to being decided on, one brilliant politician suggested that they'd switch the commercial traffic over first, and if that worked out well they'd then also make the basic car traffic over.

And no, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately.

SMH but I believe you. That is the scary part.

 

[Paystar]

So this is just a dream, but if the emissions roll back to 2010 standards, is there a chance they may eliminate the DPF's off 70 h.p. and under tractors again??

 

[ultrarunner]

CARB would be in violation of Federal law if that bill passes. That will get really interesting...

Just more lawsuits as CA Attorney General sees his role as a badge of honor in a David vs Goliath battle of California against the Federal Government.

 

[nisaacs]

And the standards will be locked in at the 2010 regulations.
So unfortunately it means we are still stuck with SCR, DPF's and DEF fluid. But it least it won't get worse which it was going to.

Did you watch the video in post 32? The regulations are not just being rolled back, they are being eliminated. There are multiple news videos of the EPA administrator saying just that. The backdrop of the news release was the Kenworth plant in Indiana.