EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Grumpycat]

Dodge was selling nearly 80,000 Charger vehicles per year. The new one now is EV. They got 82 orders for it. Eighty. Two. That says everything that needs to be said.

Yes. It means the oil painting artist crowd isn't interested in buying cameras.

Stellantis is now scrambling to try and save the company, as their stocks have been plummeting for the last 12 months.

Stellantis is clueless. Has no understanding of ICE or EV. In a free market economy they would be allowed to fail. How many times has Chrysler been bailed out? Fortunately I think they will be allowed to fail this time.

The CEO resigned. They pushed back launches of new EVs such as the Ram REV truck. They are accelerating the timeline for the ICE version of the Charger. They are openly discussing V8 engines with the public again. They've had meetings with the new administration in the U.S. and there are rumors of the "Chrysler" domestic brands being sold off to American owners. It's crazy. They're just trying to save the company. None of this would have happened to them if they had listened to CUSTOMERS to begin with.

Clueless grasping at straws.

 

[BleedingOrange]

20 percent of ev owners return to ice !

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[sd455dan]

• Kelley Blue Book: A survey found that 92% of EV owners globally have no plans to return to gas-powered cars.
  
  

• In a study by MarketWatch, 92% of EV owners plan to buy another EV for their next car.
  

 

[WinterDeere]

Stellantis is clueless. Has no understanding of ICE or EV. In a free market economy they would be allowed to fail. How many times has Chrysler been bailed out? Fortunately I think they will be allowed to fail this time.

I hope not. Over the last 10 years, they've had literally the ONLY decent American-made sports sedans and wagons, and really the ONLY option under $100k for anything with real horsepower.

Of course GM has the Corvette, wonderful car, but really only practical for empty-nesters who don't need a back seat. Ford has done some impressive things with the Mustang, but it's a tiny car with a nearly useless back seat, and they've never been as nicely-outfitted as the top models of Charger or Challenger.

If Dodge doesn't get their feet back under them, our only really viable choice for replacing high-horsepower Chargers will be Mercedes AMG cars. The Merc's are amazing vehicles, but roughly double the price for equivalent performance and body type. That's just a "no go" situation, for many.

Of course the Tesla P90D's and the like are another option, but awful old designs at this point, and nearly into AMG pricing territory.

 

[tradosaurus]

• Kelley Blue Book: A survey found that 92% of EV owners globally have no plans to return to gas-powered cars.
  
  
• In a study by MarketWatch, 92% of EV owners plan to buy another EV for their next car.

I'm not surprised. Driving an EV made me realized how antiquated the gas/diesel vehicles really are.

Nincompoops like B.O. will never get it because they are stuck in the past.

 

[Grumpycat]

20 percent of ev owners return to ice !

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100% of EV owners came from ICE.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Nissan cuts US production, offers voluntary buyouts to Tennessee, Mississippi workers

I do not see Honda being willing to stick with the ship just because they have been asked to or dictated that they would step in.

As a current 52 year owner of Nissan's I expect our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL will now be my last Nissan ever.

Things could have turned out better had they bought a 2008 Tesla roadster and took the battery apart cuz it was plain to see how Tesla was doing it.

 

[shooterdon]

I hope not. Over the last 10 years, they've had literally the ONLY decent American-made sports sedans and wagons, and really the ONLY option under $100k for anything with real horsepower.

Of course GM has the Corvette, wonderful car, but really only practical for empty-nesters who don't need a back seat. Ford has done some impressive things with the Mustang, but it's a tiny car with a nearly useless back seat, and they've never been as nicely-outfitted as the top models of Charger or Challenger.

If Dodge doesn't get their feet back under them, our only really viable choice for replacing high-horsepower Chargers will be Mercedes AMG cars. The Merc's are amazing vehicles, but roughly double the price for equivalent performance and body type. That's just a "no go" situation, for many.

Of course the Tesla P90D's and the like are another option, but awful old designs at this point, and nearly into AMG pricing territory.

"Over the last 10 years, they've had literally the ONLY decent American-made sports sedans and wagons, and really the ONLY option under $100k for anything with real horsepower."

You have answered your own question. The sports sedans are not the cars most people want to buy due to initial cost and ongoing fuel costs. It is a niche market that does not provide the volume of sales needed to be a viable manufacturer. After 10 years of being the leader in that market (your words) they have learned something.

I am looking at what to buy next and not even looking at one. Two of my buddies are looking at new vehicles and they are not looking at anything like that.

Over 50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. None of them can afford a new car. People with a bit of money are looking to cut costs and making "smart" purchases. There is not much of a market for $70k+ "muscle cars".

 

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[WinterDeere]

"Over the last 10 years, they've had literally the ONLY decent American-made sports sedans and wagons, and really the ONLY option under $100k for anything with real horsepower."

You have answered your own question. The sports sedans are not the cars most people want to buy due to initial cost and ongoing fuel costs. It is a niche market that does not provide the volume of sales needed to be a viable manufacturer. After 10 years of being the leader in that market (your words) they have learned something.

I am looking at what to buy next and not even looking at one. Two of my buddies are looking at new vehicles and they are not looking at anything like that.

Over 50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. None of them can afford a new car. People with a bit of money are looking to cut costs and making "smart" purchases. There is not much of a market for $70k+ "muscle cars".

Of course you're right on all points, but I don't agree with the conclusion you're drawing from these facts. Dodge had no trouble selling Chargers and Challengers, in fact the company seemed to be largely surviving on both the image created by, and direct sales of, the more expensive SRT variants... until changing fuel efficiency standards made it impossible for them to continue producing them.

Their only real mistake appears to have been continuing to run full-steam into the dead-end tunnel of oncoming fuel economy standards, to the point where now their entire brand image is associated with technology they can no longer legally produce and sell. If the emissions standards had not changed, I suspect they'd be doing fine today.

The problem going forward is that, changing their brand image should have started ten years ago. When you're already down, it becomes harder to do this.