Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon

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I'm not ignoring it at all. The fact of the matter is HERE in the U.S., oil is produced and sold by corporations. THERE it is all government controlled.

So it is simply private industry greed driving this train here in the U.S.

None of these companies in the U.S. do anything with the overall benefit of the U.S. in mind. It's all for profits. (yes I own oil stocks in my mutual funds).

"WE" (the United States) don't produce ANY oil or gas products. "WE" are NOT energy independent. "OUR" oil is sold openly on the world market by corporations, not "US".

Our system is completely different than most of the rest of the world. If it were held here in the U.S. by "US" we would be paying a lot less.

So if we want lower oil costs not dependent on the world market, the only way is for all oil and gas products produced in the U.S. to be sold only in the U.S. That means government takeover of the oil and gas industries in the U.S. And we all know just how well the government runs things, so that's a whole 'nuther can of problems.

For anyone to ever think that the U.S. was, has been, is, or could be energy independent with the current system just isn't thinking straight. It can't be with private-for-profit industry and a world market involved.
Can you explain how the greedy oil companies are controlling the price of oil on the open market? Are they colluding to pump less oil to get the price to rise? If so, pumping less oil would seem to make them less money, not more.
 
   / Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon #342  
Can you explain how the greedy oil companies are controlling the price of oil on the open market? Are they colluding to pump less oil to get the price to rise? If so, pumping less oil would seem to make them less money, not more.
They are selling to lucrative overseas markets, leaving less domestic market supply.
 
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They are selling to lucrative overseas markets, leaving less domestic market supply.
When you say "lucrative overseas markets" do you mean they are selling oil above market price?
 
   / Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon #344  
I'm not ignoring it at all. The fact of the matter is HERE in the U.S., oil is produced and sold by corporations. THERE it is all government controlled.

So it is simply private industry greed driving this train here in the U.S.

None of these companies in the U.S. do anything with the overall benefit of the U.S. in mind. It's all for profits. (yes I own oil stocks in my mutual funds).

"WE" (the United States) don't produce ANY oil or gas products. "WE" are NOT energy independent. "OUR" oil is sold openly on the world market by corporations, not "US".

Our system is completely different than most of the rest of the world. If it were held here in the U.S. by "US" we would be paying a lot less.

So if we want lower oil costs not dependent on the world market, the only way is for all oil and gas products produced in the U.S. to be sold only in the U.S. That means government takeover of the oil and gas industries in the U.S. And we all know just how well the government runs things, so that's a whole 'nuther can of problems.

For anyone to ever think that the U.S. was, has been, is, or could be energy independent with the current system just isn't thinking straight. It can't be with private-for-profit industry and a world market involved.

You did.

One giant blind spot you have is the technology side of oil. The US are the inventors of fracking and maximizing refining capability. Do you think it took no profits to invest in totally new drilling stuff to get oil from a single well that comes to it from miles away? That just happened due to greed, right. Do you think it's bad that US refiners can convert one barrel of oil into many different petroleum products like gas, diesel, naptha, bitumen, kerosene, plastics, etc? One barrel of oil gets consumed to it's maximum benefit. Also, due to maximizing the benefits of one barrel of oil, it requires the heavy crude, not the light sweet stuff. The light sweet stuff is better for single stream refining that turns into into a single product like gas or diesel. The by-products are just wasted because the other refineries of the world don't have the technological warewithall to do it. Heavy crude comes from state owned countries that controlled by...CARTELS.

US oil companies drive the innovation for the world. You can say the US oil companies are the R&D pipeline to extracting oil better and cleaner than any other country in the world. A lot of the worlds benefits of oil come from the profits of US companies.

The oil market is dictated by refining. Oil flows to where it can be refined most efficiently. That dosen't mean it's the cheapest way to consume oil. Once you understand that truism in oil, it makes more sense.

The US will never be oil independent because we have the wrong oil under our boarders. We will always ship our stuff off and bring in others. Again, maximum benefit in a cost benefit analysis. So yes, our prices in the US are driven in a global oil market heavily influenced by oil cartels.
 
   / Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon #345  
They are selling to lucrative overseas markets, leaving less domestic market supply.

Much more to it than that...
 
   / Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon #346  
When you say "lucrative overseas markets" do you mean they are selling oil above market price?
The world market price is higher than what a strictly domestic market price would be if that fuel and oil wasn’t exported.
 
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From 2005-2015 oil prices were higher than they are today except for the recession from early 2008 to mid 2009 and US companies needed a license to sell oil outside of the US. That restriction was lifted when president O signed H.R.2029.

Effective immediately and subject to limited restrictions, U.S. producers may begin exporting crude oil to overseas customers.
On December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the massive Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2016, H. R. 2029, which previously passed both Houses of Congress with large bi-partisan majorities. An important part of this act is a provision that repeals the 1975 law that generally prohibited the export of crude oil produced in the United States.
In 1975, in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, the Congress enacted the Energy Policy and Conservation Act. Section 103 of that law, which was codified at 42 USC Section 6212 (entitled “Domestic use of energy supplies and related materials and equipment”), directed the President to promulgate rules prohibiting the export of crude oil and natural gas produced in the United States, subject to a few statutory exceptions related to the President’s authority regarding national security and national policy matters. The rules implementing the crude oil export ban are located in the Export Administrative Regulations of the Department of Commerce located at 15 CFR Part 754, and presently require a license to export crude oil to all destinations, including Canada. The 1975 law was not, however, interpreted generally to prohibit the export of refined petroleum products manufactured in the United States, and a thriving export trade has resulted.
By repealing Section 103 of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, the Congress has virtually eliminated all of these export restrictions. The new provisions are located in the Consolidated Appropriations Act at Section 101 of Division O, Title I, “Oil Exports, Safety Valve and Maritime Security.” Section 101 (a) repeals Section 103 of the 1975 Act. Section 101 (b) establishes a National Policy on Oil Export Restrictions, by providing that “no official of the Federal Government shall impose or enforce any restriction on the export of crude oil,” subject to the follow-on provisions of Sections 101(c) and (d). Subsection (c), entitled a “Savings Clause,” provides that nothing in Section 101 limits the authority of the President under existing law to impose sanctions prohibiting exports to any person or government that is designated as a state sponsor of terrorism. In addition, Subsection (d) authorizes the President to impose short-term crude oil export licenses (for no more than one year) if the President determines and declares that a national emergency exists or the national interest requires such a limitation, or the Secretary of Commerce, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, finds that the export of crude oil is having adverse economic consequences in the United States. These short-term export licenses may be renewed for an additional one-year term.
By its terms, the removal of the export ban takes effect immediately, but the revisions and amendment of the existing crude oil export rules are likely to take some time.
 
   / Midwest Gasoline to Spike $0.50-$1.00 Per gallon #349  
From 2005-2015 oil prices were higher than they are today except for the recession from early 2008 to mid 2009 and US companies needed a license to sell oil outside of the US. That restriction was lifted when president O signed H.R.2029.

Effective immediately and subject to limited restrictions, U.S. producers may begin exporting crude oil to overseas customers.
On December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the massive Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2016, H. R. 2029, which previously passed both Houses of Congress with large bi-partisan majorities. An important part of this act is a provision that repeals the 1975 law that generally prohibited the export of crude oil produced in the United States.
In 1975, in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, the Congress enacted the Energy Policy and Conservation Act. Section 103 of that law, which was codified at 42 USC Section 6212 (entitled “Domestic use of energy supplies and related materials and equipment”), directed the President to promulgate rules prohibiting the export of crude oil and natural gas produced in the United States, subject to a few statutory exceptions related to the President’s authority regarding national security and national policy matters. The rules implementing the crude oil export ban are located in the Export Administrative Regulations of the Department of Commerce located at 15 CFR Part 754, and presently require a license to export crude oil to all destinations, including Canada. The 1975 law was not, however, interpreted generally to prohibit the export of refined petroleum products manufactured in the United States, and a thriving export trade has resulted.
By repealing Section 103 of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, the Congress has virtually eliminated all of these export restrictions. The new provisions are located in the Consolidated Appropriations Act at Section 101 of Division O, Title I, “Oil Exports, Safety Valve and Maritime Security.” Section 101 (a) repeals Section 103 of the 1975 Act. Section 101 (b) establishes a National Policy on Oil Export Restrictions, by providing that “no official of the Federal Government shall impose or enforce any restriction on the export of crude oil,” subject to the follow-on provisions of Sections 101(c) and (d). Subsection (c), entitled a “Savings Clause,” provides that nothing in Section 101 limits the authority of the President under existing law to impose sanctions prohibiting exports to any person or government that is designated as a state sponsor of terrorism. In addition, Subsection (d) authorizes the President to impose short-term crude oil export licenses (for no more than one year) if the President determines and declares that a national emergency exists or the national interest requires such a limitation, or the Secretary of Commerce, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, finds that the export of crude oil is having adverse economic consequences in the United States. These short-term export licenses may be renewed for an additional one-year term.
By its terms, the removal of the export ban takes effect immediately, but the revisions and amendment of the existing crude oil export rules are likely to take some time.

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