Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

[SamO]

On the other hand, new battery technology is being developed which doesn't use lithium.

That may be happening now, but when will it be economically viable? Not any time soon I bet and how will we know that it will be environmentally safer than what we are now using? To my mind, if some government official isn't going to get rich from the new technology it will sit on the back burner for a long while. Am I jaded, you bet. I worked for the US Gov't for 26 years! S

 

[Hay Dude]

You can blame environmentalists for the offshoring. But the guy who wrote the book on how to offfshore your production and made $millions advising manufacturers on the details - Romney - was the R's presidential candidate in 2012. He has to take some responsibility for it.

Oh heck yeah!

 

[Hay Dude]

That’s why most utilities don’t put all their eggs in one basket. Most utilities also operate natural gas turbines for power generation in addition to renewables.

That will be disappearing shortly. Environmentalists NEVER stop. Once coal is gone forever, next will be oil and nukes (already happening), then natural gas.

 

[CH4Ohio]

I agree that I was incorrect in comparing indirect subsidies.

If you compare only *direct* subsidies, fossil fuels still get more that renewables, it's just a smaller multiplier.

The "direct" subsidies from the report you're citing are fictitious too. They are based on the claim that fuel prices are lower than they should be. (read that again . . . ) They calculate what they say the higher prices should really be -- that is, the higher prices that we SHOULD have been paying -- and the difference is the "direct subsidy".

That's not real money and it's NOT a government subsidy to fossil fuels.

Should also point out that whatever numbers you care to use, you can't compare, dollar-for-dollar, an industry that is very small and totally dependent on taxpayer support (renewables) to an established industry worth hard-dollar trillions. I'd suggest that any comparison of "claimed" subsidies should be in percentage of total industry capitalization (value).

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Numbers are easily manipulated, to manipulate people. Remember the Covid deaths and hospitalization numbers?
Numbers lie.

 

[Paystar]

Wind turbines are the biggest scam and farce in the "green energy" arsenal. Developers get rich soaking up the give-aways and then sell the projects as soon as they can get them completed. Electric companies are MANDATED to buy the energy and adjust their generation according to the whims of the wind and the wind facility operator. Surrounding non-participating landowners are stuck with an ugly landscape and devalued properties.

There's no comparison to the footprint needed per MW of generation for a conventional or nuclear plant vs. industrial wind turbines. And the former is on-demand and reliable 24x7 while the latter is intermittent and unpredictable.

We have a big wind farm up on one of the mountains here. Over 100 wind turbines. It was built just a few years ago.
Recently one of them took a lightning hit, caused a blade to go out of balance and the whole tower came down.

So they brought a crew in to inspect them all. EVERY SINGLE ONE IS DAMAGED. LOL

Free energy! Guess where all those unusable blades will end up? LOL

 

[Paystar]

Here's one of many articles explaining the problem.

Scientists urge the world to wake up as yet another dire climate record is broken

Despite decades of warnings, we are "still racing at top speed towards a global catastrophe", scientists say

www.thecanary.co

Some quotes:
"Pre-industrial levels of CO2 were around 280ppm. As NASA has pointed out, levels in the 1950s hovered around 317ppm. in 2021 it was 419ppm. ...CO2 is now at levels that “our species has never experienced before”.

In the distant past – four million years ago – CO2 levels were similar to our current ones, but sea levels were five to 40 metres higher. The world was also three to four degrees hotter, and it had no people either.


The western US, [California!] for example, is currently facing what NASA warns is one of its worst ever droughts.



Every day, global heating pushes a little harder on Earth and human systems. Every day they get a little closer to failure. Time to shift into #EmergencyMode and make ending the fossil fuel industry and stopping Earth breakdown our top priority.

---End of quotes.----

Yeah California is becoming dryer. Worldwide, as well. Bangladesh, Africa, etc are already hit hard.

And the process continues with no end in sight. This isn't cyclical as some might tell you.

I also remember global warming that killed the dinosaurs. Guess maybe they should have quit farting and driving their diesel trucks too.

 

[jyoutz]

We have a big wind farm up on one of the mountains here. Over 100 wind turbines. It was built just a few years ago.
Recently one of them took a lightning hit, caused a blade to go out of balance and the whole tower came down.

So they brought a crew in to inspect them all. EVERY SINGLE ONE IS DAMAGED. LOL

Free energy! Guess where all those unusable blades will end up? LOL

Storm damage happens to any facility. What’s comical about that? About 7 years ago, a tornado took out a natural gas plant and many power poles in our area. Out of power for 4 days.

 

[RoyJackson]

Here's one of many articles explaining the problem.

Scientists urge the world to wake up as yet another dire climate record is broken

Despite decades of warnings, we are "still racing at top speed towards a global catastrophe", scientists say

www.thecanary.co

One problem is the credibility of the sources...this source is the typical leftist rag...not a cool detached scientific journal
Some people (Al Gore comes to mind) made a lot of money off Global Warming, while flying around in a private jet. People who do that reduce the credibility of the entire study of global warming and people get more and more skeptical of all science.

 

[Citydude]

For those who think natural gas is unscathed by the environmental groups.

New York State Codifies Fracking Ban in Budget

The New York State legislature permanently bans fracking in New York, five years after Governor Cuomo first instituted a ban through executive action....

www.nrdc.org