If there are aliens, what will they look like?

   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #181  
This pretty much explains why most craters are round. It has nothing to do with impact angle, or dendrology.

From here:

Why are impact craters always round? Most incoming objects must strike at some angle from vertical, so why don't the majority of impact sites have elongated, teardrop shapes?



Why are impact craters always round? Most incoming objects must strike at some angle from vertical, so why don't the majority of impact sites have elongated, teardrop shapes?



Gregory A. Lyzenga, associate professor of physics at Harvey Mudd College, replies:

"When geologists and astronomers first recognized that lunar and terrestrial craters were produced by impacts, they surmised that much of the impacting body might be found still buried beneath the surface of the crater floor. (Much wasted effort was expended to locate a huge, buried nickel-iron meteorite believed to rest under the famous Barringer meteor crater near Winslow, Ariz.) Much later, however, scientists realized that at typical solar system velocities--several to tens of kilometers per second--any impacting body must be completely vaporized when it hits.

"At the moment an asteroid collides with a planet, there is an explosive release of the asteroid's huge kinetic energy. The energy is very abruptly deposited at what amounts to a single point in the planet's crust. This sudden, focused release resembles more than anything else the detonation of an extremely powerful bomb. As in the case of a bomb explosion, the shape of the resulting crater is round: ejecta is thrown equally in all directions regardless of the direction from which the bomb may have arrived.

"This behavior may seem at odds with our daily experience of throwing rocks into a sandbox or mud, because in those cases the shape and size of the 'crater' is dominated by the physical dimensions of the rigid impactor. In the case of astronomical impacts, though, the physical shape and direction of approach of the meteorite is insignificant compared with the tremendous kinetic energy that it carries.



"An exception to this rule occurs only if the impact occurs at an extremely shallow, grazing angle. If the angle of impact is quite close to horizontal, the bottom, middle and top parts of the impacting asteroid will strike the surface at separate points spread out along a line. In this case, instead of the energy being deposited at a point, it will be released in an elongated zone--as if our 'bomb' had the shape of a long rod.

"Hence, a crater will end up having an elongated or elliptical appearance only if the angle of impact is so shallow that different parts of the impactor strike the surface over a range of distances that is appreciable in comparison with the final size of the crater as a whole. Because the final crater may be as much as 100 times greater than the diameter of the impactor, this requires an impact at an angle of no more than a few degrees from horizontal. For this reason, the vast majority of impacts produce round or nearly round craters, just as is observed.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #185  
"My point is that there are BELIEFS "

Ah my mistake yesterday, I thought what you said, was in fact based on engineering / maths and that second reply ... not sarcasm. How wrong I was, yup you're NOT replying with anything different than a lady with a bunch of tarot cards for proof. The first remarks about physics was spot on then.
So you can't refute any of my assertions? What BELIEFs do you hold to?
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #187  
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #188  
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #189  
"So you can't refute any of my assertions? What BELIEFs do you hold to?"


I can't or don't answer anyone who's making a lot of noise and when asked to show working, won't -- It's really just a little trick some people use, time wasting, shift topic, keep lips moving and people on new issues and ...

I'm right back where I finished off replying, waiting for you to um say something about physics and why you're not scared of it being an engineer ... if you want to talk about cat colours or whatever else I can probably find a tarot card reader near you who will only be too happy to chat about cats.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #190  
Please show me an angular impact of a supposed meteor hit on earth where there should be a severe gouge in the earth.
Personally I BELIEVE that the "craters" are the evidence of large trees before the Biblical flood. If you could uproot a large tree what would be left?

To answer your question. The large tree would leave a giant hole 100 miles accross.

My stance would agree with the assessment below. Basically the vast majority of oblique angle meteor strikes still leave round holes, and very few of all strikes have withstood Earth's weather erosion so what you see left are round holes. The very few elongated ones would fill in sooner or be indistinguishable from other tectonic phenomena.

When the meteor hits, all its kinetic energy turns into heat. That process has no memory of the initial direction of travel. The heat melts and vaporizes the surrounding rock and a shock wave radiates outward. For a very large impact, the forces are so far in excess of the strength of rock that the rock is pushed out of the way as if it’s water. This is distinct from melting, which also happens. In fact, some very good analogies for impact processes are slow motion photos of drops splashing.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #191  
With all the talk of craters, I guess we are talking about meteors in a panspermia way: That life got here from somewhere else. This deflates the abiogenesis idea, in probability, as it spreads out the number of test tubes to more than one. Yet we still have to deal with abiogenesis. Kick the can down the alley..

The nut in that theory is that other solar systems, because they are so far away, don't have any means of transferring life to us. Anything, outside the sun's magnetosphere get irradiated in deep space. Space doesn't like life., cause its too complicated and too fragile.
There may have been life on Mars, that seeded the Earth. Or Earth may at one time may have seeded life on Mars. Yet it is still in this solar system. Very close stuff.
The next known solar system is 4 light years away.
 
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   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #192  
I'm stuck on two things. 1) That two of every specie that exists today rode in/on the same vessel for weeks with plenty of food (none eaten to extinction) and sanitary conditions onboard to do their business. 2) That all humans are descendants of Noah's immediate family of boat builders and/or distinct races either were created all at once or diverged in a handful of thousands of years. Both?

The math doesn't work for me. And I wonder how many kangaroos were on Noah's ark or whether those who wrote the holy books knew of the inhabitants of North America. Are Norsemen closer cousins to Maori than I thought when I sang in the choir and taught Sunday School in the '60s? btw, I'm taking notes.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #193  
I am trying to imagine a tree with a root base of 100 miles..... Just how tall would that tree likely be? Perhaps if we had those trees today we could launch satellites by merely climbing a tree! And just how did those all those giant trees (that made all those craters) grow on the moon with next to no atmosphere? And where did they go? I certainly don't have those answers, but I am sure they exist.

By the way, I am still voting that aliens probably look like Leonard Nimoy. Pointed ears are a mandatory requirement of all aliens.
 
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   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #194  
The next known solar system is 4 light years away.
I think most of us in our minds grossly underestimate the size of our galaxy. But not nearly as much as we underestimate the size of the known universe. I can understand that, the vastness is somewhat unfathomable based against our usual standards of measurements.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #195  
This book can help people understand the confusion of very large numbers and how one may gain perspective on many things.


I suggest it for people who like to read, say from more than one book. IIRC numbers are numbers without science, unless they're also a 'religion'.

btw, as for a meteor not being able to strike a planet moving in orbit, how does a quarterback put a ball within reach of a receiver running a cross pattern? How does a skeet shooter place his shot pattern properly to bust a clay pigeon? These things seem to meet somehow with none necessarily moving on laser-straight paths.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #196  
I BELIEVE that the "craters" are the evidence of large trees before the Biblical flood. If you could uproot a large tree what would be left?
Please tell me that you are joking. If there was enough water to flood mountains and uproot giant trees, the entire landscape was changed and the crater you expect would be filled in. Have you ever been in the forest and seen where a big tree uprooted just 40 years ago? It's already started to fill back in.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #197  
I'm stuck on two things. 1) That two of every specie that exists today rode in/on the same vessel for weeks with plenty of food (none eaten to extinction) and sanitary conditions onboard to do their business. 2) That all humans are descendants of Noah's immediate family of boat builders and/or distinct races either were created all at once or diverged in a handful of thousands of years. Both?

The math doesn't work for me. And I wonder how many kangaroos were on Noah's ark or whether those who wrote the holy books knew of the inhabitants of North America. Are Norsemen closer cousins to Maori than I thought when I sang in the choir and taught Sunday School in the '60s? btw, I'm taking notes.
And what about all the sea life???
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #198  
Please tell me that you are joking. If there was enough water to flood mountains and uproot giant trees, the entire landscape was changed and the crater you expect would be filled in. Have you ever been in the forest and seen where a big tree uprooted just 40 years ago? It's already started to fill back in.
Same logic would apply to any large hole in the ground. If you believe in meteors where is the big chunk of rock?
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #199  
"So you can't refute any of my assertions? What BELIEFs do you hold to?"


I can't or don't answer anyone who's making a lot of noise and when asked to show working, won't -- It's really just a little trick some people use, time wasting, shift topic, keep lips moving and people on new issues and ...

I'm right back where I finished off replying, waiting for you to um say something about physics and why you're not scared of it being an engineer ... if you want to talk about cat colours or whatever else I can probably find a tarot card reader near you who will only be too happy to chat about cats.
You won't refute my statements because it's uncomfortable. I understand. Been there.
Physics is the branch of science that deals with the structure of matter and how the fundamental constituents of the universe interact.
So using this definition how does a pressure system (atmosphere) exist next to a vacuum (space) without a barrier?
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #200  
This book can help people understand the confusion of very large numbers and how one may gain perspective on many things.


I suggest it for people who like to read, say from more than one book. IIRC numbers are numbers without science, unless they're also a 'religion'.

btw, as for a meteor not being able to strike a planet moving in orbit, how does a quarterback put a ball within reach of a receiver running a cross pattern? How does a skeet shooter place his shot pattern properly to bust a clay pigeon? These things seem to meet somehow with none necessarily moving on laser-straight paths.
I never stated a "meteor" couldn't hit a planet rotating and moving. I just stated that it would be virtually impossible for almost every claimed meteor impact to be at a 90 degree angle. That's just simple logic.
By the way I'm only entertaining the word "planet", "solar system", "meteors" for the sake of this discussion.
 

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