RFI from Cree LED bulbs?

/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #141  
So far all of mine have been good too...
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #142  
I have a LOT of the Cree BR30's in both soft white and bright white.. So far so good, no failures and they are dimmable. As much as any LED. Of course they won't go down as low as an incandescent, but I don't thing any of them will. About 10 bucks at Home Depot.. i can get them for a little less than half of that in Arkansas where they are subsidized by the power company.
Thanks for the info. None of these lights have dimmers in my house so not a big deal on that part. I see Amazon has these for a bit under $6 a bulb. Decisions.... :)
TCP 65 Watt Equivalent 6-pack LED BR3 Flood Light Bulbs, Non-Dimmable Daylight White (5K) LBR3:)5KND6 - - Amazon.com
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs?
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Thanks for the info. None of these lights have dimmers in my house so not a big deal on that part. I see Amazon has these for a bit under $6 a bulb. Decisions.... :)
TCP 65 Watt Equivalent 6-pack LED BR3 Flood Light Bulbs, Non-Dimmable Daylight White (5K) LBR315KND6 - - Amazon.com

Give em a try, it is all a crapshoot. I don't know how long any of them will last. One thought I had is that the non dimmable ones might have a simpler power supply inside. That could be a good thing as there might be less to fail. Buy some and let us know what you think.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #144  
No, it's only when there's lotsa wind. It happens to the whole neighborhood.

DM, good idea on the dating of the bulbs. Time goes by faster than we think. I recently lost a recessed bulb that I think is a CFL. Any advice on LED bulbs of this type and the cost? They used to be quite expensive.

The LEDs we bought hare 60W equivalents that use 9W and produce 800 Lumens. I think they bulbs are made by Feit electronics. The CFLs I have been buying are 60W equivalents using 13W and producing 825 Lumens. One of the CFLs and a new LED are installed in a walk in closet and the LED is brighter even though it is supposed to have less Lumens.

We are not using R30/R40 bulbs in the cans. Those bulbs have just gotten too expensive. We can buy 8 or more CFLs for the price of a CFL R30/R40. We have not noticed any difference using "regular" bulbs in the cans vs R30/R40s. I have been waiting for the prices of LEDs to drop and the ones at Costco were cheap enough for us to buy and try. Having said that, the CFLs are still much cheaper to buy even when you consider the lifetime of the bulb but I figured it was worth a try.

Later,
Dan
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #145  
LED seems brighter because they project all the light in one (desirable) direction while incandescent or fluorescent are omnidirectional.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs?
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Update. Nearly the entire house is LED now, Mostly Cree, except for the 4 foot tubes in the kitchen and garage. They are Hyperikon bought from Amazon, and they are the kind that run off of 120 volts directly so you have to remove the ballasts in your old fluorescent fixtures. That is no big deal. There is also a couple of no name fixtures and a screw in "batwing" type of LED bulb 10,000 watt equivalent downstairs in the craft room. man is that thing bright. No failures with any of them except the original old Cree bulb number 1 in the lamp upstairs that became flakey as noted back in 2016. So no failures, No RFI, just lots of light so far. :)

I guess some of these are nearly 7 years of use, so I think I have gotten my money's worth in electricity savings. Of course by now most of you have likely put in LED and this info is not nearly so interesting, but I though I would give an update.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #148  
Update. Nearly the entire house is LED now, Mostly Cree, except for the 4 foot tubes in the kitchen and garage. They are Hyperikon bought from Amazon, and they are the kind that run off of 120 volts directly so you have to remove the ballasts in your old fluorescent fixtures. That is no big deal. There is also a couple of no name fixtures and a screw in "batwing" type of LED bulb 10,000 watt equivalent downstairs in the craft room. man is that thing bright. No failures with any of them except the original old Cree bulb number 1 in the lamp upstairs that became flakey as noted back in 2016. So no failures, No RFI, just lots of light so far. :)
I haven't noticed any RFI from LED bulbs in the house/shop, but automotive ones (work lights, fog lights, etc.) are a different story, even interfere with FM reception. Putting a ferrite bead in the 12V wire does help a lot.

None of the replacement T8/12 tubes I've used require removal of the ballast.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #149  
I haven't noticed any RFI from LED bulbs in the house/shop, but automotive ones (work lights, fog lights, etc.) are a different story, even interfere with FM reception. Putting a ferrite bead in the 12V wire does help a lot.

None of the replacement T8/12 tubes I've used require removal of the ballast.
James can better talk this point than I. What I understand is some types of LED replacements don't require removal of the ballast. What I understand about that type is the savings is less and RFI is more likely.

I converted my shop 6 bulb, 4ft bulbs to LED with ballasts removed 3 years ago. Total of 24 bulbs. I replaced 2 this Fall.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #150  
I replaced my car headlights with LEDs.
Inexpensive ones from China.

Great lighting now but one problem pops up from time to time.
When radio is on AM I occasionally get interference, at least I believe it from the LEDs but it might also be from the alternator as it is not constant.
Does seem to be shortly after starting so could be charging circuit related however it only started at the time I installed the LED's. Simple coincidence?
 
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i don't believe in coincidence. I learned that from Gibbs. :)

As for ferrites. Use mix 31 (best for this application) and put as many wraps of the power lead thru the ferrite as you can manage. As the choking impedance of the ferrite increases by the square of the number of turns. so 2 turns if 4 times more choking as 1 turn. 3 turns in 9 times more. Every time the wire passes thru the center is one turn. If you don't know the mix of your ferrites, you don't have any ferrites.

Here is one place to buy them. There are many other places.

 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs?
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James can better talk this point than I. What I understand is some types of LED replacements don't require removal of the ballast. What I understand about that type is the savings is less and RFI is more likely.

I converted my shop 6 bulb, 4ft bulbs to LED with ballasts removed 3 years ago. Total of 24 bulbs. I replaced 2 this Fall.
Correct. Some don't require the removal of the ballast, but you do not save as much electricity, and still have the failure point of the ballast. You save time on the original install as you just snap in the tubes like any other tube. BUT in my opinion far better to remove the ballast, it just takes a few minutes and wire in the in model that runs directly on the 120 volts AC. I chose the single ended feed kind. Maximum savings, and less heat, and gets rid of the failure point of the ballast. If you know how to turn off a breaker, and can follow simple printed instructions and use wire nuts to rewire and a nutdriver to remove the 3/8 nut holding the ballast in place, you can do this job yourself. No electrician required. If you didn't understand that or cannot follow instructions, then do not attempt. 5 minutes later, you have loads more light, and saving a lot of money. I haven't seen any RFI from the Hyperikon 4 foot tubes, and the ones in the kitchen and garage have been playing for years. They are totally payed for now and the rest is gravy. Win, Win, Win. No downside noted so far.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #153  
I analyzed the cost/benefits for replacing T* fluorescents with LEDs. it came down to whether or not the ballast was bad. If we were replacing the ballast becasue it was bad, the LEDs pay off in a couple of years.

The time and effort to convert just “because”, doesn’t pencil out. But, if your going to have buy and install a replacement ballast you can recover the cost of The LED bulbs and their installation.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #154  
I analyzed the cost/benefits for replacing T* fluorescents with LEDs. it came down to whether or not the ballast was bad. If we were replacing the ballast becasue it was bad, the LEDs pay off in a couple of years.

The time and effort to convert just “because”, doesn’t pencil out. But, if your going to have buy and install a replacement ballast you can recover the cost of The LED bulbs and their installation.
I replace them in the garage or shop when the ballast goes bad, but in the house I replace them because they're ugly (bad color) and I can see the fluorescent's flicker readily while the LED is only obvious if I'm moving my eyes.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #156  
I replaced my car headlights with LEDs.
Inexpensive ones from China.
How are the replacement headlights as far as aim goes? I've noticed the parts store "fog lights" need to be pointed almost straight down (more or less negating any benefits from them), otherwise the glare will blind oncoming drivers. I'm sure this is taken into account with the high end replacements, but the Chinese ones, meh.
I analyzed the cost/benefits for replacing T* fluorescents with LEDs. it came down to whether or not the ballast was bad. If we were replacing the ballast becasue it was bad, the LEDs pay off in a couple of years.

The time and effort to convert just “because”, doesn’t pencil out. But, if your going to have buy and install a replacement ballast you can recover the cost of The LED bulbs and their installation.
Ballasts are pricey, in many cases more than a replacement fixture. I've read that if you're going to pull out the ballasts to install LED tubes you need to change the tombstones too. Supposedly the non-ballast ones are different, though I've never seen an explanation as to what the difference was.

Another benefit to LED replacements is that they come up to full brightness even in cold temperatures. Maybe not a big deal if you live in the south, but up here in the north it's a HUGE plus.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #157  
I replaced all 4 with direct wire T8s in my garage when 4 tubes and one ballast went bad.
Was much cheaper to by a 10 pack of bulbs than just 4 or 8.
One ballast went in other garage, so 2 more tubes are in.
Now have plenty of working flourescent tubes and the LEDs for when the next ballast fails.

The Cree's in my house, have a 1 in 4 failure rate at three years. I have cheaper LED bulbs that are lasting longer, but not as good color/brightness.
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #158  
Do not need to replace the tombstones. Just make sure both connectors in the tombstone are jumpered as some of the LED T8s are only wired to one pin (ask me how I know )
 
/ RFI from Cree LED bulbs? #159  
I have a 60 watt standard a19 type Cree LED lamp and a Cree 65 watt BR30 replacement flood lamp.
I cannot find any RFI from either of them in the HF or low VHF spectrum. This info is just for those that want to know. It has no other significance.

Antennas are a OCFD running along the spine of the house at about 30 feet, so maybe 15 foot above the house, and the MA5B minibeam for 20thru 10 meters at a height of 40 foot(13 meters) at one end of the house.. The distance from the lamps would be approximately 35 foot slant distance.

The bulbs seem to be clean with this setup, or if there are any birdies, or hash I haven't found it yet. I could not find this information anywhere, so I am posting it here in the hopes it will help someone.

A19 60 watt:
[h=2]Model # BA19-08027OMF-12DE26-2U100[/h][h=2]Internet # 204592770[/h][h=2]Store SKU # 1000003071[/h]

Br30 equivilant 65 watt
[h=2]Model # BBR30-06527FLF-12DE26-1U100[/h][h=2]Internet # 204366182[/h][h=2]Store SKU # 1000009290[/h]


Ok now you have to go test some more to see how they stack up!

Philips, Sylvania, etc!
 
 
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