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Im just glad to have a roof over my head.

This roof is 1000% stronger than the cruddy plastic one on the John Deere. This is the rig of choice for me when I need a machine in the woods, downside, no spot for a pto winch...
 
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The problem with that kit is that it includes the files for several different types of chain (5/32, 3/16, and 7/32 round files), but only includes the guide for a 3/16" file. That's great if all you are sharpening is a .325" pitch chain, but you are back to hand filing for other sizes. Using the wrong guide for the file defeats the purpose of using a guide in the first place. I suppose it will cut better than a dull chain, but you are giving up a significant amount in performance by the guide not holding the other sizes of files at the right height in relation to the chain's cutter.
 
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What do you use for file guides?

We use one like this, but I couldn't find a good pic online of the exact one. This one looks like cheaper pot metal and likely to fall apart quickly.

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They allow for different size files, and different pitch depending on saw and material to be cut. You can also adjust the height to get the desired edge on the tooth. It has a stop, so every tooth is cut to about the same size. It also doesn't take off anywhere near what the electric grinders do, so you get more sharpenings out of a chain.

Then we use the flat guide to shave the rakers down even.

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Lets see, I bought my Stihl 029 back in 98 or 99, and admittedly the case broke so I put the engine into a later model 290 case with the flip caps, and the same motor has been cutting 4-5 cords minimum pretty much every year since I bought it. And Stihl (see what I did there?) is running strong.

I have noticed a huge difference in less maintenance since switching to non-ethanol gas, no more yanking carbs off in the fall for full cleanings to get that green powder out. Now, I just refuel and use it... If you can, I highly recommend going non-ethanol.
 
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I've said this elsewhere on the forum (and probably in this thread): I've met many dozens of people who think they are top-notch at freehand sharpening with nothing but a bare round file. I've met exactly 3 who actually can get excellent results that way (one was a retired machinist, one was a competition chainsaw racer, and one was a pro logger). Most of them only think they are getting great results, when really the best you can say is that it cuts somewhat better than before they sharpened it.

Having said that, it is not at all difficult to sharpen a chain and get equal to or better than "new out of the box" performance if you use one of several types of handheld chain sharpening guides that are available. Using those guides properly, you can generally beat the cutting performance of even a highly experienced person using a grinder to sharpen chain (and you are WAY better off than trusting your chain to some hardware store flunky who had all of 15 minutes of training on operating their chain grinder.)
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You raise a point John.
I could never understand the conniptions people went through to sharpen a chainsaw chain.
If I didn't do it a dozen times per day 5 and 6 days per week I didn't do it once.
There was no "thought" about it. It was like throwing a baseball.

For the person not practicing to this extent, I can see the need for a "guide' of some sort.
I remember the first day I brought one to a landing when I first started logging at the age of 16..
One of the guys looked at me and I thought, "he must want to know how I do this". He reached over, grabbed the guide and threw it as far as he could into the woods file and all..

He got me by the collar, scrunched me down and said, "I'm gonna show you how to sharpen a f'king chain with just your hand".
Been doing it mindlessly ever since.
 
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What do you use for file guides?

This is probably a much longer answer than you were hoping for, but here goes...

There are two types I tend to use:

The first is a style that clips to the file, holding it at the right height in relation to the tooth. Oregon and Stihl both sell versions of this. (It's important to get the right guide for the size file require for your chain. This is NOT a mix-n-match situation.) I tend to use this the most, for two reasons: it's larger than my second choice, so easier to find when I drop things in the woods, and it's easier to vary one of the angles to suit the style of chain you are using. With this sharpening guide, I use the progressive depth gauge tool shown at the right to set the depth gauge height (I always use the "hardwood" side, since that's 90+% of what I cut. It still cuts softwoods well, and it's easier to handle in hardwood than trying to use the more aggressive softwood setting.)
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The other sharpener I use is sometimes referred to as the "Swedish Roller Guide". Advantages: It's compact and easy to carry, it allows for better visibility of the chainsaw tooth as you sharpen, and the two rollers provide an indication of whether you are keeping the file horizontal during the filing stroke (dropping your hand when filing and moving the file out of the proper plane is a common filing error, and really messes up the cutting edge of the tooth and the all-important tip). Downsides: easier to lose if you drop it in the woods (the file is especially easy to lose if it comes out of the handle, or if using a wooden handle that blends in with the forest floor), and every roller guide I've seen is set up to sharpen at a 30˚ angle. That is the ideal angle for most semi-chisel or micro-chisel chains. Full chisel chains generally recommend 25˚. Sharpening a full chisel at 30˚ still works well, but I generally prefer the 25˚ setting. It's possible to do 25˚ on a roller guide, it just takes more attention, since you are running the file at a slight angle to what the rollers and frame are set up to indicate. Most roller guides have a built-in depth gauge tool - see picture on the right below, which works similarly to the one shown above (progressive depth gauge setting).

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The Pferd Chain Sharp CSX is a decent tool. It's identical to the Stihl 2-in-1 sharpener (Pferd makes them for Stihl - the pferd unit typically sells for less). I don't own one, but have used one on a number of occasions. It's probably the easiest to learn and quick, since it files the depth gauges at the same time. It does get good results if used properly. The slight downside: since it does not use the "progressive" method of setting the depth gauge to the individual tooth associated with that depth gauge. The non-progressive types set the depth gauge by bridging between two teeth and measuring down from there. This means it is important to keep the cutter lengths all the same (a progressive depth gauge tool is much more tolerant of cutters of different lengths). Also, the lack of the progressive feature means that your cutting performance will suffer slightly as the chain gets filed back. That effect is small, but noticeable. Still it does a good job of sharpening, and it's easy to get results that are better and more consistent than most of us mere mortals can get by freehand sharpening.
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A further tip, regardless of what type of guide you use (or if freehand filing): It's possible to do a good job by just setting the saw on a stump or log, or on the tailgate of your truck. It's far easier to do if you have the saw clamped securely in place. I use a stump vise when out in the woods. just tap it into a stump or log, set the powerhead on the stump or log and clamp the bar in the vise. Oregon, Husqvarna and Stihl all make good ones. (Others probably make good ones as well. I can't stand the Timber Tuff brand: they just don't stay in the wood when you tap them in.)
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My first season using the Stihl 2in1. Game changer.
Stack’n up the Red Oak in the woods. Couldn’t do this without the forks.
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@ JohnMc; thanks. I have the first two which you mention, but generally use them occasionally to bring the chain back to where it should be. Your previous comment made me realize that it would be better to use one more often.

An old "trick" woodcutters used to use on their yard saws was to file the rakers down aggressively; they claimed it cut through dirty wood better. I once accidentally took my rakers down too far and did not like the results. I will say that it cut "differently" though.
 
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I use the Husqvarna roller guide John showed. Almost as fast as just a file, good visability, and not cumbersome. Helps me do a better job than no guide.

gg
 
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I use the Husqvarna roller guide John showed. Almost as fast as just a file, good visability, and not cumbersome. Helps me do a better job than no guide.

gg

Just don't put it on the woodstove to melt the ice off after working all day in the snow; the plastic rollers don't like extreme heat. And don't ask me how I know that... :D
 

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