Buying Advice John Deere compared to Kubota

   / John Deere compared to Kubota #211  
Just looked up the 2015 Austria Stats

17.23 % Steyr
13.06 % New Holland
11.17 % Deere
9.07 % Fendt
7.44 % Massey
5.63 % Deutz
4.43 % Kubota

So Deere has double the market share... and is Number 3
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #212  
Just looked up the 2015 Austria Stats

17.23 % Steyr
13.06 % New Holland
11.17 % Deere
9.07 % Fendt
7.44 % Massey
5.63 % Deutz
4.43 % Kubota

So Deere has double the market share... and is Number 3
You need to understand one big difference between (most of) Europe and North America.
The homeowner or hobby farmer maeket does not exist like in NA.

Now for Germany for example, you need to license the tractor to operate it on the road. But no domestic insurance would insure your tractor, except you have that specific farm policy. Most of the small farmers with a couple of acres quit their operations, sold the livestock and rented out the land or sold it alltogether. To own land in the size of let's say 5-10 acres wasn't affordable for a usual homeowner. My parents bought a piece of land in the early 60's off a farmer and it was considered as "big". It was about a quarter of an acre.

The market that puts Kubota ahead of John Deere on sales numbers in NA doesn't exist. And Austria is similar. I lived just a few miles from the Austrian border.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #213  
You need to understand one big difference between (most of) Europe and North America.
The homeowner or hobby farmer maeket does not exist like in NA.

Now for Germany for example, you need to license the tractor to operate it on the road. But no domestic insurance would insure your tractor, except you have that specific farm policy. Most of the small farmers with a couple of acres quit their operations, sold the livestock and rented out the land or sold it alltogether. To own land in the size of let's say 5-10 acres wasn't affordable for a usual homeowner. My parents bought a piece of land in the early 60's off a farmer and it was considered as "big". It was about a quarter of an acre.

The market that puts Kubota ahead of John Deere on sales numbers in NA doesn't exist. And Austria is similar. I lived just a few miles from the Austrian border.

Yep. Americans that have never been to Europe or parts of Southeast Asia struggle to understand.

I've saw crops planted in the triangle formed by the off ramp of a highway.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #214  
And road ditches mowed by hand with a scythe and for food insted of endles acres shredded with a brush cutter.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #215  
This is exactly why I don't like Kubota and will never have one! They simply don't stand behind their products when there is a problem. They instead lie and blame the customer instead of taking ownership and responsibility for their mistakes and poor designs. There is a reason why Deere's have better resale value and are the gold standard in CUTS.

Kinda different than what my combined John Deere Kubota dealer told me when I bought my first tractor. He said "Kubota stands behind their warranty better than Deere. Deere tries to fight and deny claims. And when Kubota has a warranty issues, the reps are on the phone with me and want to know what failed and how it can be improved."

Dealers words, not mine. But after the years and years of reading about broken loader stands, failed U-joints, bending fuel tank mounts, auto-connect decks that don't always hook up correctly, no temp gauge, etc on the 2xxx and 2R series, I wouldn't say they are superior either, LOL
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #216  
Yep. Americans that have never been to Europe or parts of Southeast Asia struggle to understand.

I've saw crops planted in the triangle formed by the off ramp of a highway.

Years back, I was in the market for a rototiller and started a little research. In the US, the old standby is the large Troy-Bilt machines. Despite Troy-Bilt now essentially being a rebadged Wal-Mart brand, the largest "Big Red" tiller models were / are still the same design as the old ones from decades ago...meaning tough and reliable, if not crude. However, during the process I learned about a brand called BCS which marketed themselves as a "two-wheeled tractor." This was a very ingenious design which had a PTO output, an engine, a gear and clutch transmission, and rotating handle bars. If you needed a rear attachment like a tiller, or a front attachment like a snow blower, you could simply rotate the handle bars and the PTO would be on the other end. There were equal-speed forward and reverse gears. The tires were small "tractor tires" of the bar / R1 design.

What I learned is that there are a ton of small farming attachments for these BCS units, and that two-wheeled tractors are not uncommon for small farming plots in the limited countryside of Europe. Having never been outside of north america, this was a new concept to me. Even where I live in New Hampshire, most "small" farms are still a hundred or several hundred acres and operate using large farm tractors.

Anyway, back more to the topic at hand, Kubota often advertises that they are the largest manufacturer of diesel engines under 100HP in the world. However, Kubota diesels are used in many applications besides their own brand of equipment, such as Bob-Cat skid steers, Jacobsen golf course mowers, Carrier reefer trucks, etc, etc. Now, I think it says something for the engine that it is so popular in so many non-Kubota applications, as there are other choices...many being less expensive. None of this means Kubota is the top selling tractor. Even if it was, many would argue top sales don't necessarily equate to the best product, either. Lots of people would rank a Silverado or RAM truck over a Ford, despite Ford being the top seller.

My experience is limited to the smaller JD tractors. My first tractor was a 2013 Kubota B2920. I remember going to the Deere dealership and looking at a brand new Deere of the same size and power as the Kubota. At this point I was brand-neutral. What I noticed was that the Deere had a two-range hydro vs the Kubota's 3 range, plastic hood vs the Kubota's steel hood, and lack of an engine temperature gauge...just a warning light. The last thing I noticed was the higher price on the Deere.
When I bought my 2018 Kubota MX4800, once again I cross shopped Deere. And once again, even in the larger size, found similar lackings of the Deere, all for a larger price.

It's not that I don't like Deere, as I do. Some of their tractors are very good looking. I love that they are an American brand. I also believe they are the leader in the large, full farm tractor size.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #217  
I watch a really smart guy disect tools on YOUTUBE. The German Tools for the most part are higher quality but often have design features that are expensive and totally unnecessary. Like a highly complex proprietary plug/socket on a thousand dollar curcular saw. I see JD in the same way. Engineers/designers making stuff expensive and complex because they can. Kubota wouldn't do stuff like that. Different culture and mindset.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #218  
Years back, I was in the market for a rototiller and started a little research. In the US, the old standby is the large Troy-Bilt machines. Despite Troy-Bilt now essentially being a rebadged Wal-Mart brand, the largest "Big Red" tiller models were / are still the same design as the old ones from decades ago...meaning tough and reliable, if not crude. However, during the process I learned about a brand called BCS which marketed themselves as a "two-wheeled tractor." This was a very ingenious design which had a PTO output, an engine, a gear and clutch transmission, and rotating handle bars. If you needed a rear attachment like a tiller, or a front attachment like a snow blower, you could simply rotate the handle bars and the PTO would be on the other end. There were equal-speed forward and reverse gears. The tires were small "tractor tires" of the bar / R1 design.

What I learned is that there are a ton of small farming attachments for these BCS units, and that two-wheeled tractors are not uncommon for small farming plots in the limited countryside of Europe. Having never been outside of north america, this was a new concept to me. Even where I live in New Hampshire, most "small" farms are still a hundred or several hundred acres and operate using large farm tractors.

Anyway, back more to the topic at hand, Kubota often advertises that they are the largest manufacturer of diesel engines under 100HP in the world. However, Kubota diesels are used in many applications besides their own brand of equipment, such as Bob-Cat skid steers, Jacobsen golf course mowers, Carrier reefer trucks, etc, etc. Now, I think it says something for the engine that it is so popular in so many non-Kubota applications, as there are other choices...many being less expensive. None of this means Kubota is the top selling tractor. Even if it was, many would argue top sales don't necessarily equate to the best product, either. Lots of people would rank a Silverado or RAM truck over a Ford, despite Ford being the top seller.

My experience is limited to the smaller JD tractors. My first tractor was a 2013 Kubota B2920. I remember going to the Deere dealership and looking at a brand new Deere of the same size and power as the Kubota. At this point I was brand-neutral. What I noticed was that the Deere had a two-range hydro vs the Kubota's 3 range, plastic hood vs the Kubota's steel hood, and lack of an engine temperature gauge...just a warning light. The last thing I noticed was the higher price on the Deere.
When I bought my 2018 Kubota MX4800, once again I cross shopped Deere. And once again, even in the larger size, found similar lackings of the Deere, all for a larger price.

It's not that I don't like Deere, as I do. Some of their tractors are very good looking. I love that they are an American brand. I also believe they are the leader in the large, full farm tractor size.
The BCS have many options and attachments. But the idea of turning the handlebars and reversing the tractor wasn't new. The Irus in the 50's or 60's were that way already.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #219  
I watch a really smart guy disect tools on YOUTUBE. The German Tools for the most part are higher quality but often have design features that are expensive and totally unnecessary. Like a highly complex proprietary plug/socket on a thousand dollar curcular saw. I see JD in the same way. Engineers/designers making stuff expensive and complex because they can. Kubota wouldn't do stuff like that. Different culture and mindset.
But soon they must, the Japanese philosophy of play so safe that they are a decade behind everybody else doesn't work. Toyota has been trying this in Europe and it doesn't impress the customers. If Kubota are going to play in the same league as top of the line JD and Fendt they have a long road ahead of them.
 
   / John Deere compared to Kubota #220  
Our farmer here bought a new Fendt. When the day comes that all those computers don't boot up when you switch it on, and the thing sits there like a giant expensive Boat Anchor, the simplicity of Kubota might suddenly become appealing. lol
 

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