When I was a kid my mother would never let me run one of those alone. I"ve always wondered why. :mischievous:
TESLA Electric Truck?
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Yep that was the most fun ride at the amusement park. T-boning unsuspecting drivers was a blast!
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Ever have an issue with a gas/diesel engine? I mean, blown head gasket, timing chain, etc? Most of us have at some point - though they are getting better.
Transmission problems? Sure.
Rust? here in PA, you betcha.
The tesla is (according to my friend that owns one) - alum body on a titanium frame. Will last for ever.
No oil changes, no radiator, with regenerative braking the brake pads will last much longer.
NO fuel - well, not exactly of course, but the cost per mile of electric seems to be WAY lower than gas or diesel.
When the batts wear out he says they're $8k to replace - about 10 years they tell him. So $800/year. Googling tells me it's $7ish to charge one's tesla. 3c per mile. At current local prices it's 12c/mile for gas on my subaru. Plus oil changes. Emmissions inspections annually too.
I drove 16k miles last year - so $1920 in gasoline. And the time to stop and refuel many many times.
The electricity for a tesla would be just under $500, plus say the $800 in 'battery replacement' costs - $1300. And fueling happens while I sleep.
OK, you wanns take a trip? Use the Tesla's GPS and it will factor in range, locate 'super chargers' and route you accordingly, you'll recharge (fully in 2 hours) only long enough to get to the next charger. I need a break every 4 hours..the range of a fully charged batt on the hiway, give or take, so no big deal really.
And when was the last time you wore out an electric motor? I got through more transmissions than I do starter motors, blower motors, wiper motors or window motors in my cars.
A elec fan (frothing at the mouth type) says your gas car has 20,000 moving parts. An elec car 2,000.
A tesla 3 is $35,000. A subaru is $30-35,000. PLUS $700 a year MORE in fuel..over 10 years that makes the car cost $7,000 more PLUS 500 or so in oil changes...
Electric wins on economic grounds!
A neighnor bought a hybrid minivan. I goes 40 miles on a charge. The wife is a stay at home mom and no longer buys gasoline...runs the kids all over town. They took a trip from Pittsburgh to Buffalo NY, used gas up and back of course, but charged at their parents house so used no gas there. Used 1.5 tanks..vs 3 on their last trip with a regular vehicle.
Audi says 1/2 their cars will be elec by what, 2025? Maybe sooner.
Transmission problems? Sure.
Rust? here in PA, you betcha.
The tesla is (according to my friend that owns one) - alum body on a titanium frame. Will last for ever.
No oil changes, no radiator, with regenerative braking the brake pads will last much longer.
NO fuel - well, not exactly of course, but the cost per mile of electric seems to be WAY lower than gas or diesel.
When the batts wear out he says they're $8k to replace - about 10 years they tell him. So $800/year. Googling tells me it's $7ish to charge one's tesla. 3c per mile. At current local prices it's 12c/mile for gas on my subaru. Plus oil changes. Emmissions inspections annually too.
I drove 16k miles last year - so $1920 in gasoline. And the time to stop and refuel many many times.
The electricity for a tesla would be just under $500, plus say the $800 in 'battery replacement' costs - $1300. And fueling happens while I sleep.
OK, you wanns take a trip? Use the Tesla's GPS and it will factor in range, locate 'super chargers' and route you accordingly, you'll recharge (fully in 2 hours) only long enough to get to the next charger. I need a break every 4 hours..the range of a fully charged batt on the hiway, give or take, so no big deal really.
And when was the last time you wore out an electric motor? I got through more transmissions than I do starter motors, blower motors, wiper motors or window motors in my cars.
A elec fan (frothing at the mouth type) says your gas car has 20,000 moving parts. An elec car 2,000.
A tesla 3 is $35,000. A subaru is $30-35,000. PLUS $700 a year MORE in fuel..over 10 years that makes the car cost $7,000 more PLUS 500 or so in oil changes...
Electric wins on economic grounds!
A neighnor bought a hybrid minivan. I goes 40 miles on a charge. The wife is a stay at home mom and no longer buys gasoline...runs the kids all over town. They took a trip from Pittsburgh to Buffalo NY, used gas up and back of course, but charged at their parents house so used no gas there. Used 1.5 tanks..vs 3 on their last trip with a regular vehicle.
Audi says 1/2 their cars will be elec by what, 2025? Maybe sooner.
Amusing thing on that note is that a fair number of the fuel uses of hydrogen (rockets, fuel cells, etc) are also seeking to move to simple hydrocarbon fuels (e.g. methane, propane) as the energy density (energy per volume) is higher, and it has simpler handing considerations when compared to liquid hydrogen. While hydrogen has a higher specific energy (energy per mass), the support requirements, associated hazards, and handling requirements tend to make it costly to use. ...which if I recall correctly is part of the reason SpaceX uses a liquid fuel (similar to kerosene/diesel) with liquid oxygen on their launch vehicles.
So really even if the modern internal engine ever actually gets made obsolete (which I suspect is unlikely any time in the foreseeable future.... despite what some countries are already trying to legislate) I seriously doubt hydrocarbon fuels will ever go away as they're just too convenient as an energy storage method. ...hence my semi-tongue-in-cheek calling diesel/gasoline/hydrocarbons a "liquid battery"
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Those Tesla cars are extremely complicated and they keep anything to do with them a secret and proprietary. I'm sure, they won't be loosing any money over conventional technology. Apparently, you can't even have body work done on them by another shop. I heard that anyway.
You wait. Soon you will have to get a software license for these vehicles.
You wait. Soon you will have to get a software license for these vehicles.
davrow
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prof fate, while I very much appreciate that you on the side of EVs, having better facts will improve your message.
1) It was speculated the Cybertruck might have an aluminum body on titanium frame. It has neither. For one thing, no frame. The exoskeleton is stainless steel,
2) Still has differential oil, and it does have a radiator, to cool the batteries.
3) Tesla no longer sells the $35,000 Model 3. The current lowest price is $39, 490.
davrow
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I'm pretty sure you do, now.
'you do not own the software, you are licensed to use it, you cannot reverse-engineer it, etc.
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I always headed for the guy riding holding a chocolate milkshake!
I was a kid who watched the Three Stooges a lot.
The roller coaster...always some kid right in front who just finished 3 corn dogs and cotten candy all washed down with grape soda!
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Tesla Truck - why we're all wrong about the Cybertruck design - YouTube
Pretty Interesting.
I will never hate that Tesla Truck as much as the Avalanche though.
Pretty Interesting.
I will never hate that Tesla Truck as much as the Avalanche though.
cqaigy2
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No more complicated then cars are now with all the electronics and such. I wonder about the proprietary software in the computers on board my current vehicles. Ones 20 years old and the other 5.
I'm not sure what you have against the Avalanche. I wouldn't own one because it wouldn't suit my needs; yet it was good choice for some. (many, apparently, with over 1/2 million sold).
