Let's discuss filling or not filling tires

[CADplans]

Air filled tyres on my 4105... of course I'm dealing with an incredible 2% gradient on my sprawling 6 acre property.

My land does not have a spot that has no slope, so my 4105 has fluid filled rear tires,,
I still need to engage 4WD going down some hills while mowing, so that the rear tires do not spin,,

I am a fan of fluid,, but,, the JD 650 does not have fluid.
the base weight of the tractor is plenty for the 14HP of the 2 cylinder engine,,

If anything, I may add fluid to the front tires, the 650 does act front light,, I usually carry two suitcase weights.

As far as ride, I think fluid makes the ride softer.
I added fluid to a Cub Cadet GT, all 4 tires, and it made the ride much smoother, kinda like adding shock absorbers.
With fluid, you have to be careful not to over pressure the tires,,
there is VERY little room for air, so the pressure becomes critical.

And,, rust from CaCl,, the rears on my 584 IH did show rust,,
I found new tires with rims when the tractor was 40 years old,,

BUT, I sold the old tires and rims,, the guy was glad to get them,, even being 40 years old,,, :thumbsup:

I fluid filled the new tires the same day I mounted them on the tractor,,
With that loader, fluid is a MUST!! :dance1:

 

[oosik]

I have 1550# of RimGuard in my rear tires only. Works just fine for me and my 80 acres. It DOES add to traction and stability. Thirty eight years out here - never had a flat, so that is not one of my big worries.

Whether you should/should not fill your tires is a very unique - situation depend matter. Do what you feel is best in your situation. What others have done is probably not really too relevant.

 

[goeduck]

My 60 HP Kubota with backhoe has filled rears. Loader is used a lot and I need the weight, particularly if I remove the backhoe
My 45 HP Massey pasture mower and spray tank tractor. No loader. Rears are not filled, no need.
My 21 HP Kubota with backhoe (but rarely on). One rear is filled the other is not. The original owner evidently replaced one rear and did not fill it. I use the loader a decent amount and need to fill that one tire.

 

[redman135]

MF 135 and 240 filled rear wheels AND maxed out width. MF 178 filled rear inside duals and filled front tyres with inner and outer cast weights, and the front was still a bit light with the loader off. Couldn't have suitcase weights as the loader would hit them when almost at bottom .
Farm varied from easy rolling to too steep for a bulldozer.

 

[goeduck]

Thirty eight years out here - never had a flat

I wish I could say that. I get about 1 flat a year, usually a front. I have a nail on one front right now that is a slow leak. Tubeless so I will just plug it. The nail is on the flat valley of an R4 so a plug should be fine.

 

[Wagtail]

My land does not have a spot that has no slope, so my 4105 has fluid filled rear tires,,
I still need to engage 4WD going down some hills while mowing, so that the rear tires do not spin,,:

My Mates in Pyengana (the ones with the sloped areas of their land... they run cattle & sheep) have their front wheels reversed so that the tread is opposite to 'normal'.

In FWD it really assists in going down-slope.

 

[goeduck]

MF 135 and 240 filled rear wheels AND maxed out width. MF 178 filled rear inside duals and filled front tyres with inner and outer cast weights, and the front was still a bit light with the loader off. Couldn't have suitcase weights as the loader would hit them when almost at bottom .
Farm varied from easy rolling to too steep for a bulldozer.

Any pictures of your collection of Masseys?

 

[goeduck]

And,, rust from CaCl,, the rears on my 584 IH did show rust,,
I found new tires with rims when the tractor was 40 years old,,

Are you ready to part with that 584 yet? die: die: die:

 

[oosik]

I've never had a flat AND I have no big thorn bushes either. The worst I have - wild rose bushes. I DO have two areas where I WILL NOT take the tractor. The area where the cluster of old homestead building were. The old homesteader never knew a nail/spike he didn't like. And, the area where this fool who is typing now burned the trash lumber from the old homestead buildings. What an ultra moroon - I should have burned the trash lumber right where it was. Instead I drug it to a second location and burned it. I hand raked that burn area for three consecutive years - dredged up buckets of nails/spikes that were in that old lumber. It's a small area but I avoid it with the tractor.

 

[Wagtail]

I've never had a flat AND I have no big thorn bushes either. The worst I have - wild rose bushes. I DO have two areas where I WILL NOT take the tractor. The area where the cluster of old homestead building were. The old homesteader never knew a nail/spike he didn't like. And, the area where this fool who is typing now burned the trash lumber from the old homestead buildings. What an ultra moroon - I should have burned the trash lumber right where it was. Instead I drug it to a second location and burned it. I hand raked that burn area for three consecutive years - dredged up buckets of nails/spikes that were in that old lumber. It's a small area but I avoid it with the tractor.

Sounds like an investment in a metal-detector would be fun. :scratchchin:

Maybe rig up a powerful magnet(s) on the bottom of a hand-truck and roll it around the area to see what you get?

 

[oosik]

Wagtail - I do have a metal detector. Mainly used to find those parts dropped into the lawn when doing repair work. I've saved many 60 mile round trips to purchase replacement parts with my detector. However - that's an excellent idea. I should take the detector up to the burn pile area. At least, I could get the darn nails/spikes out of that location.

The area where the homestead buildings were - that would be a lifelong project. Sixty years of accumulation of all that's under the sun. You name it - I'm sure it could be found there at that location. I HAVE used the detector and scanned this area for gold/silver - no joy. It's not that big an area - 80' x 175'. But by avoiding both areas - no nails/spikes in the tractor tires.

 

[ovrszd]

My Kubota has rears filled. It also has an FEL and does frequent heavy work. Filled tires are a must.

My Ford does not have filled rears. Does not have an FEL. It does light work. Sometimes during hard pulls it wiuld benefit from filled rears. Issue solved by using 4wd. It's better off not having filled rears.

So totally depends on use.

 

[5030]

My Kubota has rears filled. It also has an FEL and does frequent heavy work. Filled tires are a must.

My Ford does not have filled rears. Does not have an FEL. It does light work. Sometimes during hard pulls it wiuld benefit from filled rears. Issue solved by using 4wd. It's better off not having filled rears.

So totally depends on use.

I disagree with your statement. Not a must at all. Maybe a must for you, not for me. Both my M's have cast centers in the rear and I'm always loading round bales on trailers. When I marshal bales in the fields prior to loading, I run a rear bale spear on the 3 point and a double spear in the front and have never had issue one in at least 15 years. Loading 2 high is always one at a time (with nothing on the back, again, never an issue.

I don't have an issue with filled tires, whatever blows your dress up but my dress is different than yours and contrary to your opinion, it's not a must, loaded rears are an owners choice only. You won't find loaded anything on this farm. The other issue for me is compaction and crushing of the plants. I want as light a footprint as possible. If I need added traction in a situation, I engage the FWA. What it's for.

 

[ovrszd]

I disagree with your statement. Not a must at all. Maybe a must for you, not for me. Both my M's have cast centers in the rear and I'm always loading round bales on trailers. When I marshal bales in the fields prior to loading, I run a rear bale spear on the 3 point and a double spear in the front and have never had issue one in at least 15 years. Loading 2 high is always one at a time (with nothing on the back, again, never an issue.

I don't have an issue with filled tires, whatever blows your dress up but my dress is different than yours and contrary to your opinion, it's not a must, loaded rears are an owners choice only. You won't find loaded anything on this farm. The other issue for me is compaction and crushing of the plants. I want as light a footprint as possible. If I need added traction in a situation, I engage the FWA. What it's for.

I had to reread my statement. Thought maybe I said something about your operation. I did not. I described my tractor.

I have cast centers, one cast weight on each side, 18.4x30 tires fluid filled, and I still carry a heavy Land Pride BB when doing FEL work. My FEL loads must be heavier than yours. I don't wear dresses.

 

[5030]

I had to reread my statement. Thought maybe I said something about your operation. I did not. I described my tractor.

I have cast centers, one cast weight on each side, 18.4x30 tires fluid filled, and I still carry a heavy Land Pride BB when doing FEL work. My FEL loads must be heavier than yours. I don't wear dresses.

What you wear is your business...lol

Never had issue one with getting a light rear end.

Just wait until you have to dismount a rim from those cast centers. What a PITA. You cannot dismount a rim without pulling the entire wheel and center and Kubota uses a special lug nut with an extended shoulder to engage the cast center. Been there, did that and next time I need to reshod, the rims will stay on and I'll have a tire service dismount and remount them right on the tractor. BTW, the studs and nuts are 50 bucks each at your friendly Kubota dealer.

Your statement as to 'Filled tires are a must' is misleading. Might be SOP for you but you aren't everyone. Different applications require different approaches.

 

[ovrszd]

What you wear is your business...lol

Never had issue one with getting a light rear end.

Just wait until you have to dismount a rim from those cast centers. What a PITA. You cannot dismount a rim without pulling the entire wheel and center and Kubota uses a special lug nut with an extended shoulder to engage the cast center. Been there, did that and next time I need to reshod, the rims will stay on and I'll have a tire service dismount and remount them right on the tractor. BTW, the studs and nuts are 50 bucks each at your friendly Kubota dealer.

Your statement as to 'Filled tires are a must' is misleading. Might be SOP for you but you aren't everyone. Different applications require different approaches.

You should have hilighted my last sentence in that post rather than what you did hilight.

I've had my rims off without removing the cast center. First time they were mounted behind the center.

Again, your FEL loads are less than mine by your description.

Maybe your centers/rims are designed differently than what's currently used.

I didn't say I wore dresses, you said you did. Lol.

 

[goeduck]

I think ovrszd and 5030 make good points for their individual situations. Both are right for how they use their tractors. :thumbsup:

 

[ovrszd]

I think ovrszd and 5030 make good points for their individual situations. Both are right for how they use their tractors. :thumbsup:

Yep, that was my point of posting. The answer to this question is use.

5030 either has tractors that are much heavier in the rear than mine, or, I carry heavier loads than he. There's no magic. Simple mathematics. For my use, rear filled tires are a must.

 

[goeduck]

Yep, that was my point of posting. The answer to this question is use.

5030 either has tractors that are much heavier in the rear than mine, or, I carry heavier loads than he. There's no magic. Simple mathematics. For my use, rear filled tires are a must.

5030 does make a good point about soil compaction, around crops that is a huge concern. Many here on TBN do not have to worry about that but it is one of the reasons I like Kubota. You can add weight if you need it but always reduce down to a lighter tractor.

 

[Wagtail]

I think ovrszd and 5030 make good points for their individual situations. Both are right for how they use their tractors. :thumbsup:

Agree... except it's not a dress, it's a KILT!