Adding a Turbo to the 2510

[PapeCAT]

Has anyone ever considered adding a turbo to the 2510 to turn it into a 2800H but with the three range transmission and the better loader. I did a quick search online for the parts related to the intake and turbo/manifold on the 2800H and everything can be ordered. For higher elevations the turbo would help it pull in high range / roading much better than the NA engine.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I'm sure it would help. I think it would void any remaining warranty (if applicable). Also, if you do it, make sure you get into the fuel system and up your fuel (aka injectors and possibly timing) so you don't run it lean.

If you go for it, start a build thread, it will be interesting to watch.

 

[dieselcrawler]

If its NA diesel, I think about adding a turbo to it!

Build thread please!

 

[Gafn]

PapeCat

Don't know what year it is, but the timing, duration, pulse width of the injectors is most likely computer controlled.
The 2800H most likely has a very different program for the fueling system, you will need to address that, if you can figure out how to tune it - you may not need bigger injectors. Look at the 5.9l Cummins - you can tune that for massive power without going with larger injectors.
Tuning will be key to performance and reliability.

Then there is the rest of the drive line - can the 2510 Clutch/Hydro pump handle the HP/torque that the turbo can produce?
You may find your self getting into upgrading the drive line... the modified 5.9l Cummins have made boat anchors out of many a trans...
After all splitting your tractor in half to resurface your flywheel and replace a clutch - not something you want to do very often.

 

[EddieWalker]

One of the lessons that I learned from working on engines back in high school and my early 20's is that stock is always more reliable. After spending all sorts of money trying to get more power, I just created more issues that cost more money to deal with. Now, if I want more power in something, I sell what I have and buy something with more power. Life is more fun using what you have and not spending time and money trying to turn it into something that it wasn't designed to be from the factory.

 

[ptsg]

No computers to deal with on Branson tractors. All good ol'mechanical simple stuff.

As far as the drive line, I'm pretty sure these tractors are made to handle the most HP model available. They just de-tune or use a smaller engine for the smaller HP models. We get the 3100 here, which has 30HP and a turbo, so adding a turbo to the 2510 should cause any issue.

The injection timing may need be adjusted by playing with the shims of the injection pump. Also it might need the fuel screw to be messed with so it gets a little more fuel to get the boost.

 

[Gafn]

ptsg
Thanks for the updates - did not realize this engine is more like the Cummin 4BT than I thought...
Heck yea add the turbo - so this is a 3B basically ...lol - yea make it a 3BT - add an intercooler - make 250 ft Lbs of torque and 120 is h HP

 

[ptsg]

Kukje/Branson actually have the license from Cummins to build their engines. So all Branson tractors get basically Cummins engines.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Years ago, everything was built stronger than it needed to be. Cars and tractors alike. Now, paractically everything is just enough and then sometimes, not enough. I opt to leave things "STOCK". A friend turned his expensive F350 tranny into a pile of (unwarrantied) JUNK, on account of a chipped truck. I don't see the lust for power, and 6 grand would have bought a lot of fuel.

 

[ptsg]

Years ago, everything was built stronger than it needed to be. Cars and tractors alike. Now, paractically everything is just enough and then sometimes, not enough. I opt to leave things "STOCK". A friend turned his expensive F350 tranny into a pile of (unwarrantied) JUNK, on account of a chipped truck. I don't see the lust for power, and 6 grand would have bought a lot of fuel.

That's the thing about Branson that most don't realize. They still build the tractors way stronger that it needs to be, exactly like the old school ones.

 

[Industrial Toys]

If that's true, that's great.

 

[Gafn]

Years ago, everything was built stronger than it needed to be. Cars and tractors alike. Now, paractically everything is just enough and then sometimes, not enough. I opt to leave things "STOCK". A friend turned his expensive F350 tranny into a pile of (unwarrantied) JUNK, on account of a chipped truck. I don't see the lust for power, and 6 grand would have bought a lot of fuel.

So your Friend turned up the tuning on a F350 still under warranty and never thought to beef up the trans....?? that's not lust for power - that's lack of knowledge of physics and mechanics.
I have been driving a 2007 5.9l tuned to 800 ft/lbs of torque, once it hit 100K miles and out of warranty, but I pulled and built the trans before throwing that power to it.
Power is fun, but power requires knowledge....

 

[Mr Bitz]

Mechanical not computer.

PapeCat

Don't know what year it is, but the timing, duration, pulse width of the injectors is most likely computer controlled.
The 2800H most likely has a very different program for the fueling system, you will need to address that, if you can figure out how to tune it - you may not need bigger injectors. Look at the 5.9l Cummins - you can tune that for massive power without going with larger injectors.
Tuning will be key to performance and reliability.

Then there is the rest of the drive line - can the 2510 Clutch/Hydro pump handle the HP/torque that the turbo can produce?
You may find your self getting into upgrading the drive line... the modified 5.9l Cummins have made boat anchors out of many a trans...
After all splitting your tractor in half to resurface your flywheel and replace a clutch - not something you want to do very often.

 

[PapeCAT]

Alright so sounds like we need to put this in perspective a little more - I myself have learned a lot of lessons playing with a half dozen or so 89-93 VE pumped cummins pickup trucks I've owned over the past 15 years. (in addition to tuning and deleting my brand new 2012 Ram Cummins to bypass the problematic fuel-in-crankcase issue) Here we are talking about 3-4 HP increase (not going from 160HP to 400+ hp) in power at sea level but adding a turbo would act more like an Aircraft's "turbo normalizer" system that maintains sea level performance at higher altitudes. Anyway, I looked through the diagrams and it seems like a bolt-on affair. No doubt Branson would still offer a 2800 / 3100 higher HP model as seen in the non-US/EPA units around the globe. So, that said I don't believe there is much of a risk to simply reconfigure your tractor to the "global" standard - if one was so inclined. My first Branson was a 2800H, and I like the 2510 a lot but one of my favorite things about the 2800 was the turbo, hence my idea. It's hard to consider getting another 00/10 series sans turbo, mainly just because I had one before.

I'm all for keeping everything stock on the other hand in most situations, especially when it comes to more expensive daily driven vehicles and such that need to be relied upon for a living or for primary duties.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Sounds like an interesting project. I would follow along (or subscribe, or whatever you call it) if you started a build thread on one.

I'm curious though, (not trying to talk you out of it), what does your current 2510 lack being able to accomplish, that you're looking to put a turbo on it? Not trying to rain on your idea, just curious as to the "cause".

 

[Industrial Toys]

Sorry if off topic somewhat. I actually have never heard of the average Joe, changing anything on his P/U drivetrain, other than the programming of the engine. I mean, that IS the appeal. I'm sure that would be a deal breaker for most.

 

[Gafn]

Sorry if off topic somewhat. I actually have never heard of the average Joe, changing anything on his P/U drivetrain, other than the programming of the engine. I mean, that IS the appeal. I'm sure that would be a deal breaker for most.

Well - still off topic.. sorry guys...
The Dodge Trans is not all that great to begin with. I have an 07, had it new off the lot, and at 108K miles it gave up the ghost, with no power adders, I was stock - with the exception of a Fuel/Air separator for easier water drain and fuel filter services. I was out of warranty and had just got a deer lease on some really rough logging roads. I lifted the truck 3 inches to run 35's and found I lost a lot of power, So when the trans was being rebuilt I had them build it for 600HP/1000 Ft Lbs and heavy towing. That rebuild should last me as long as the truck lasts. My truck form the factory is 7800lbs, was 325HP/610ft lbs. My programmer puts me at a calculated 500ish HP/800 ish ft/lbs. The trans must be addressed... If you just get a programmer and crank up the power any trans will suffer - even the mighty Allison. On the Dodge's the engine and rear end are solid for more power - that trans is the weak link. Don't forget about your Torque Converter either... IF your power is turned up and that converter locks at the wrong rpm/speed/load, say good by to that input shaft... If you don't address the trans - don't turn up the power

Now back to the tractor program...
Sounds like the turbo add on, as an atmo eq is a great idea. on the 2800 - how much boost - we are talking low pressure turbos here - right like 6 - 12 lbs?
You will not see the huge HP gains, but that engine sure will be able to work a whole lot easier when it can breath better, especially if the air is thin.
I will follow your build thread if yo start one...

 

[LouNY]

I don't know about the 2510 but when Branson was offering a 2400 and a 2800 the main difference was the turbo and the pump calibration, the 2800 had 3 or 4 more HP.
They had the same tires and lift capacities and loaders.

 

[sd455dan]

Kukje/Branson actually have the license from Cummins to build their engines. So all Branson tractors get basically Cummins engines.

Cummins licensed engines

Maybe wrong- but not based on the B series Cummins.?

- aren't these the A series engines that have been modified/ beefed up by Cummins from their Onan origins?

incidentally may be going to see some new Bransons and LS tractors tomorrow family member is really wanting a LS XG3025 and the dealer carries both Branson and LS

have been wanting to check out the 20/ 25 series Bransons for a while now.

 

[Branson Bob]

Cummins licensed engines

Maybe wrong- but not based on the B series Cummins.?

- aren't these the A series engines that have been modified/ beefed up by Cummins from their Onan origins?

incidentally may be going to see some new Bransons and LS tractors tomorrow family member is really wanting a LS XG3025 and the dealer carries both Branson and LS

have been wanting to check out the 20/ 25 series Bransons for a while now.

We"ll be very interested to hear your impressions of both tractors.

Thanks!