Coyote hunter experts???

   / Coyote hunter experts??? #91  
I have specifically never raised any type of farm animals out here. There are simply too many predators and I choose not to have to do battle with them. I have enough problems just keeping the pocket gophers away from my newly planted trees.

Been here 38 years and its worked out beautifully. I can enjoy watching - knowing that I will not have to kill anything.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #92  
I have personally seen coyotes take down deer healthy deer. I have personally seen coyotes pull newborn calves out of cows, kill the calf, and chew off enough of the backside of the cow that the cow has to be put down. I've watched them trying to get into the cow/calves during calving, even with hands around tending to the cows. Some years it's been so bad we've had to post up a couple guys with rifles to try to shoot them off before they can get into the herd. If you let them, they'd kill every calf, and barely touch any of them. Just kill them and let them lay.

Coyotes are so prevalent because they are so adaptable. They are everywhere. From NY to CA. If you shot every. single. one. you saw, you couldn't put a dent in their overall population. They also work together as a team. That makes them very formidable predators, able to punch above their weight due to teamwork.

Back in AZ, there have been verified cases where 'yotes have snatched a small dog out of the arms of the old lady who was trying to protect it while walking down the street. In town. It happens.

They are opportunists. They're also lazy, they'll take the path of least resistance, or easiest meal for the energy expended. So, if it's easier to take your poodle out of your yard then to chase down that jackrabbit, guess what? Your poodle goes missing. That's just the way it is.

About all you an hope for is that you make it hard enough to get to your animals, or the risk high enough, that they pass on your place and move on to easier pickings. Putting a high velocity varmint bullet through a 'yote's chest is about the most sure way to stop them. But even if you scare them off (shoot and miss), they may remember your place, and go on to the next one, because THAT guy watches too many Disney musicals, and doesn't want to do anything about it.

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To the OP,

The scoped 243 is probably your best bet. Any caller, or calling device CAN work. It doesn't mean that it WILL work. Especially if the individual 'yotes have been called before (and missed), or if they've heard the same call before. Coyotes can recognize the different calls, and just like we can tell the differences in peoples speaking voices, 'yotes can recognize the same call if they've heard it before. Especially if a bullet followed soon after.

I probably wouldn't even try a "rabbit in distress" call. That is way over used. By pretty much everyone. Start with something else. I've had great success with woodpecker in distress (yes, that really is a thing), "pup in distress", or even a mouse squeak call. I like the Foxpro E-callers, particularly the ones that have the "Fox Bang" feature. Which is, it plays your "normal" call, then when it's internal mic pics up the sound of a rifle shot, it switches the player to play "pup in distress". I've seen 'yotes that are sprinting full speed for the next county slam on the brakes and turn around when the player switches to "pup in distress" at the shot. The 'yotes are pre-wired (instinct) to respond to that.

You have to sit absolutely STILL. No f'-n moving around. At all. If you can't sit still for 30 minutes straight (about the longest you'll want to sit on one "stand"), then don't bother at all. All you'll end up doing is educating a bunch more 'yotes to ignore your (and other hunters) calls.

Unless it's a very young 'yote, and has been forced to hunt alone, it will have pack mates. Maybe 2, maybe more. Depends on your area. But when you start calling, at least one of these will try to circle in around and come in down wind of where the call is. This is how most "'yote hunters" get busted. They circle you, to try to figure you out. They either "wind" you (smell you), or worse (and less forgivable), they see you moving. Most of the time, when they bust you, you'll never even know they were coming in, as they will be long gone before you ever see them.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #93  
We have several coyotes around and I have shot a few over the years. I am raising hair sheep now. I don't have a coyote problem. The sheep have their own security team Akbash livestock guardian dogs. They are always ready,willing and very capable. :D

I do keep a Ruger Mini-14 ready if they ever need backup.

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Beautiful LGD's! You have the right idea on protecting livestock. 4 guardian dogs will be able to take on most any predator.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #94  
We have both wild hogs and coyotes here. Wild hogs have been here for many years, not coyotes. Seems the wild hogs hit an area and people hit back and reasonable well control them. Coyotes hit and caught many off guard. State wide laws were changed for hunting both to help control both. Night hunting being allowed and I think year round on both. Our experts tell a story of massive deer population losses to coyotes enough it hurt our state heavy financially with loss of hunting license and related hunters spending. Many animal farmers tell of real losses or fear of them. Money is spent with guard animals and probably fences new to us. Both of those are new expenses to the farmer or home owner.

At present coyotes are not being sighted here as they were just few years back, still being heard at night some but think they have gotten wise to the hunting methods here and the trapping ones. Have a friend in Canada who told me years ago they never send a working into an area by themselves for if operator needs to work on machine in any manner the other has to watch his back due to coyotes attaching the person. At same time a dog I do not know gets watched. Normally easy to tell if they are friendly or trouble. The trouble make to me is a predator and as such to be controlled.

I do know the cat population here has dropped greatly since the coyotes hit our area. Not all bad mind you for they are health issues but if you just want mouse killers hard to beat and they will kill around houses and barns where they do the most damage I believe much more than a coyote. Still not a fan of large amount of cats running around. Don't raise livestock of any kind and only animal have loss in forty years has been fish in my small yard pond by protected water birds.

Realize this seems to ramble but what trying to say, for me to sit in my home and tell a person even fifty miles away what is his threat or not is not possible. Some people's biggest threat is a crazy neighbor while many of us biggest threat is the politicians. Hope you are paying attention to all the proposed new laws and regulations in Congress this year. If not you better be.

Think slowpoke slim did the most honest overview on coyotes based upon what I hear from DNR, farmer and hunter.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #95  
South Carolina's deer population declines are blamed mostly on the timber industry, and overly liberal antlerless deer harvest limits set by your state. The only study done on coyote predation of fawns and it's effects on deer population was done in just one area of your state. And it concluded that coyote management is inefective. The best way to increase the size of the deer population is to limit the number of does being harvested, which has been too liberal in the past.

The overall state report is an interesting read.

http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/2017DeerHarvest.pdf

Here's an interesting quote from that report regarding the study done in that one region...

"The last 3 years of the study were for the purpose of determining if reducing coyote density through trapping increases fawn survival. It seems logical that if coyotes are preying on fawns, then significantly reducing coyote densities should increase fawn survival. Over the course of the 3 year coyote control phase, 474 coyotes were trapped/killed on the study areas. Overall, results showed only modest increases in fawn survival following these efforts with an overall average of about 35 percent increase in survival. Also, trapping seemed to help in some years but have little effect on predation in others. This year effect may have something to do with the availability of coyote food sources that may change in abundance annually. Given these results and the difficulty and high cost of coyote control, it seems apparent that making adjustments to how we manage deer, particularly female deer, is more important now that prior to the colonization of the state by coyotes."
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #97  
I read that the other day. Joggers 1, lions 100..
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #98  
I can't remember when, but someone was killed by a coyote, maybe 3 years ago. As I recall it was a younger women but I had the idea she wasn't very big. As a rule they run away from people in my area.

Several years ago we had one in our backyard and my son called me, I was on my way home from work. I almost stopped my truck several hundred feet from the house and walked up but I shut the truck off and coasted to the house. I opened the door of the truck no problem but the second I shut the door very carefully, it made a click and my son said it heard that and took off.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #99  
They don't all act the same for some reason. I have had them run away and others have stood there ground. Weird. I have had a few that would make think they might attack if I turned around, who knows what is going through any animals mind but for the most part they run. If I'm bush hogging they come out of the wood line within 75 yards of the tractor and watch for mice and black racers that I kick up.
 
   / Coyote hunter experts??? #100  
Yeah, kinda like humans except they are more evil.
 

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