How about a wannabe made in USA thread?

   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #21  
I find the choice of wording used misleading also. American made is a much more broad term that covers much more than the USA. Lack of a model year also prevents fact-checking. In the end, Toyota's profits end up in Japanese coffers, doesn't matter where parts are sourced, where it is assembled, or what kind of "happy spin" they want to put on it so some of the American population will feel good about themselves and their purchase.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #22  
I think I recall an international transfer pricing game played too. If a foreign company assembles something in the US from components made in the company's native country, they can avoid profits/taxes in the US by selling the components to their US assembly subsidiary at an inflated price. Lower profits and taxes (on paper) in the US; higher taxes at home but paid to their own country.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #23  
//When it is the best job available to them in their area, I don't blame the workers for taking those foreign jobs. When it is the best product for the dollar a consumer has available, I don't blame them for purchasing foreign made stuff. But in the end, I'd rather see the sales numbers shift back to US companies that are keeping their profits in the US. I'd like to see them able to hire more people and provide them higher wages than they earn from the foreign companies.

Foreign automakers pay from $38 to $65 per hour to non-union workers - Autoblog

As leaders for the United Auto Workers gather in Detroit for their Special Convention on Collective Bargaining to work out the negotiating stance for this year's new labor agreements with the Detroit 3 automakers, what they most want to do is figure out how to eliminate the two-tier wage scale. However, the lower Tier 2 wage has allowed the domestic automakers to reduce their labor costs, hire more workers, and compete better with their import competition. As it stands, per-hour labor rates including benefits are $58 at General Motors, $57 at Ford, and $48 at Fiat-Chrysler – a reflection of FCA's much greater number of Tier 2 workers.

The Center for Automotive Research released a study of labor rates (including benefits) that put numbers to what the imports pay: Mercedes-Benz pays the most, at an average of $65 per hour, Volkswagen pays the least, at $38 per hour, and BMW is just a hair above that at $39 per hour. Among the Detroit competitors, Honda workers earn an average of $49 per hour, at Toyota it's $48 per hour, Nissan is $42 per hour, and Hyundai-Kia pays $41 per hour. The lower import wages are aided by their greater use of temporary workers compared to the domestics. Automotive News says the ten-dollar gap between those foreign camakers and the domestics turns out to about an extra $250 per car in labor, which adds up quickly when you're pumping out many millions of cars.

That $250-per-car number is one that, come negotiating time, the Detroit 3 will want to reduce, as the UAW is trying to raise both Tier 1 and Tier 2 wages. Another wrinkle is that the domestic carmakers are considering the wide adoption of a third wage level lower than Tier 2. Some workers who do minor tasks like assembling parts trays kits and battery packs already make less than Tier 2, but the UAW will be quite wary about cementing yet another wage scale at the bottom of the system while it's trying to fight a bigger battle at the top.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #24  
What about the other link you almost posted?

GM Vs. Toyota Wages And Benefits

GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.

There are articles all over the place that talk about the benefits of each. Either way, companies are always more likely to reinvest in their home than someplace across the globe. What they invest in other countries, is to bring profits home, not to build up the other country and their workers.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #25  
My first choice in buying bigger stuff is Made in Canada, WTH I'm a Canadian, eh? Second choice is Made in USA. Everywhere else comes as last choice.
I do not like to admit it but, my Kioti was made in South Korea and the reason I bought it from there is because of price and I have a strong dislike for Jap. stuff. Maybe I am biased, maybe I am pregidious (sp), you might even call me racist, but I am a firm believer in I am Canadian keep Canadians working.

I was going to a USA trade show with some help from Federal Gov't subsidies.

My product was electronic by nature with ALL components from offshore, Total basic cost was about $100 but I could market at $2500. with 40% dealer discount. ($1250)
They told me to place "made in Canada" stickers that they provided me!
The rule is 50% Cdn content!
That includes taxes, shipping, advertising and profits!
So if the imported product is borderline you get it shipped 'collect' as then the shipping is Cdn content!

All that to say that not a single Cdn pair of hands need be involved in the actual assembly or production of a product to have it labeled "Made in Canada!
I believe the same criteria exist in the USA.

I n some cases the packaging is Cdn but then judging by the printing it is not all that often the case.

Shucks, I bet there is not a single cellphone or TV actually made in Can or USA (or any other electronic device) and any that claim so are priced at 2-4X market norms.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #26  
I was going to a USA trade show with some help from Federal Gov't subsidies.

My product was electronic by nature with ALL components from offshore, Total basic cost was about $100 but I could market at $2500. with 40% dealer discount. ($1250)
They told me to place "made in Canada" stickers that they provided me!
The rule is 50% Cdn content!
That includes taxes, shipping, advertising and profits!
So if the imported product is borderline you get it shipped 'collect' as then the shipping is Cdn content!

All that to say that not a single Cdn pair of hands need be involved in the actual assembly or production of a product to have it labeled "Made in Canada!
I believe the same criteria exist in the USA.

I n some cases the packaging is Cdn but then judging by the printing it is not all that often the case.

Shucks, I bet there is not a single cellphone or TV actually made in Can or USA (or any other electronic device) and any that claim so are priced at 2-4X market norms.

Not since Nortel bit the bullet.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #27  
On a related note, I'm a little creeped out about a new trade deal that allows importing cooked chicken from China. Like, what did they eat? Are processors tipped-off about inspections, like their sweat shops? Hopefully it's clearly labeled at the grocery but probably not at restaurants.
China Trade Deal Means More U.S. Beef, Chinese Chicken Exports : The Salt : NPR

Interesting excerpt:

"Tony Corbo, a senior lobbyist for the food campaign at Food & Water Watch, an environmental advocacy group, has been raising concerns about efforts to open the U.S. market to Chinese chicken imports for years. He questions the Chinese government's ability to enforce food-safety standards, given its poor track record.

That record includes rat meat being sold as lamb, oil recovered from drainage ditches in gutters being sold as cooking oil, and baby formula contaminated with melamine that sickened hundreds of thousands of babies and killed six."

(Reminded me of this: Rat milk scandal - The simpsons - YouTube)
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #28  
What about the other link you almost posted?

GM Vs. Toyota Wages And Benefits

GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.

There are articles all over the place that talk about the benefits of each. Either way, companies are always more likely to reinvest in their home than someplace across the globe. What they invest in other countries, is to bring profits home, not to build up the other country and their workers.
Removed that article as it was dated 2008.
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #29  
New rubber boots from TSC with first time seen..............Made in USA tag attached. Rubber Boots made in USA.jpg I didn't remove the tag!
hugs, Brandi
 
   / How about a wannabe made in USA thread? #30  
Removed that article as it was dated 2008.

Hate to say it but the facts didnt change because the date did. GM (and the other supposed US auto makers) are a much better place to work and retire from. Big difference between a 401k and a real pension.
 

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