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[5030]

We lived below M57 (I was just a kid back then so don't remember the 'laws') so maybe that's why. I bet you can use rifle in UP.

It's M46 now. That basically runs east and west From Flint to Muskegon or the Alma exit off 127. North is anything that goes bang, up to and including an M1-A1 if you can afford it and south is restricted to Shotgun, Front stuffer, Bow (long and X) pistol and straightwalled rifle cartridge (aka) 44, 41, 40.... 44 is about the longest legal case. Rinfire is acceptable too which is why I like the 17 HMR for tree rats.

I own property north of M46 where anything goes. You won't find me up there with a 338. Too big a rifle for the woods anyway. I tend to use just one family for 95% of my game taking, here and out west... a built 308. I can do about anything I want to with a 30 caliber, from 1000 yard paper to 500 yard deer to 400 yard elk to 250 yard yotes and it's not a barrel burner like say a 300 WM or a 338 but I can push it to almost 2900 fps with a 165 berger and still hold sub-sub moa at 250. Just takes lots of load development and careful brass prep. Like I said before, I believe I can get just about any stick to shot sub moa (2" groups in 5 shots consistently) at 200 except an AK because the barrel is curved.

No black guns here. I won't allow any on my private range and I don't own any myself. I don't consider that platform a sporting, hunting rifle and I'm into the sport and hunting aspect so no 'assault type rifles in my posaession or on my range. My personal opinion again, is they are fugly.

One reason I prefer to read the posts and not post. Many folks on here have a love affair going on with black guns. I don't.

 

[hutchman]

Apparently the law is still in effect and the southern shotgun zone is still there, although it appears around 2014 they allowed some rifle cartridges in that zone. Here's a link to a story about it on mlive.com....
Gun retailers see burst in sales surrounding new lower Michigan rifle law | MLive.com

Whenever I get get a nice deer with a rifle I'm always evil and email a picture of it (with rifle used to take it) to my cousins still in MI.

Moss, that's the new trend! A good friend of mine from Ohio that lives here was telling me about that. They did the same thing too. He goes home to Ohio some and hunts and had to use shotgun until recently when Ohio changed their laws too ... he said you can't find any straight wall rifles ... they've all been bought up and if you do find one they are more expensive than they need to be. I guess the response from the states that have done this has been overwhelming.

He finally found and bought a .444 Marlin.

 

[hutchman]

No black guns here. I won't allow any on my private range and I don't own any myself. I don't consider that platform a sporting, hunting rifle and I'm into the sport and hunting aspect so no 'assault type rifles in my posaession or on my range. My personal opinion again, is they are fugly.

It's all good. You shouldn't hold back your opinions ... different strokes for different folks. I like all firearms ... red ones, black ones, yellow ones ...

Can you identify this rifle?



It's the original "scary black rifle" ... the "Right Arm of the Free World" ... it's an Argie I built from a brand new matching numbers parts kit ... not assemble like an AR ... it requires real gunsmithing to index barrel, brake, has to be headspaced etc. It's wearing a Burris TAC30.

This was it's first kill. Not the biggest deer but I didn't care. The women went shopping on "Black Friday" several years back and I brought "Black Friday" to the deer! What you see is the exit. Dropped her where she stood. Good ole Hornady 150gn GMX! So next time you hear Biden or Cuomo say "Who hunts with an assault rifle?" Well ... this guy! It's actually a Main Battle Rifle but those pinheads wouldn't know that

p.s. For you that do know what this rifle is ... yes, it's 100% 922r compliant. And yes, that's a pistol grip from a M249 SAW

 

[5030]

Michigan copied Ohio's restrictions and I believe Indiana also has the same requirements. Why I bought a Henry Bog Boy Lever gun chambered 44 RM. For deer down here. I roll my own in that caliber too. 240 Sierra Sportsmasters in Starline Brass with Federal Magnum Pistol primers pushing maximum loads of Lil Gun. Nice thing about a straightwall cartridge is there isn't much playing around with them, but then, you don't send a 44 pill 1000 yards either, or 500 or 400. Maybe 150 maximum.

I like my Henry a lot. It's pretty with it's polished brass receiver and butt plate and burled walnut stock and it holds 10 rounds in the tube plus the trigger is about the nicest trigger I ever pulled on a production rifle. In keeping with the nostalgia thing, I topped the Henry with their gloss blued scope rail and a gloss blued Leupold 1" tube 1-4 scope with a fine duplex.

When I'm not shooting it, it hangs in the great room in a walnut case. It makes a nice conversation piece. I even had a custom tooled leather sling built for it that slips over the butt plate and fastens to the barrel band, so no swivels in the walnut stock.

In reality, my CVA Accura V2 50 caliber front stuffer is more accurate but it's more fun to shoot the Henry. Both have about the same effective killing range.

 

[hutchman]

Nice thing about a straightwall cartridge is there isn't much playing around with them, but then, you don't send a 44 pill 1000 yards either, or 500 or 400. Maybe 150 maximum.

And you don't have to lube them much with carbide dies

I like my Henry a lot. It's pretty with it's polished brass receiver and butt plate and burled walnut stock

Sounds purty! I like Henry rifles a lot!

In reality, my CVA Accura V2 50 caliber front stuffer is more accurate but it's more fun to shoot the Henry. Both have about the same effective killing range.

Yup, I have a nice stainless CVA something (the one with the good Spanish barrel - two identical ones actually - my dad used one ... got another older CVA but don't use it anymore) and the way I have it setup it is just as accurate as some of my bolt action rifles. I'm a weirdo and shoot fast sabot's in mine. Flat shooting and long range. I use stuff (sabot's and center fire primer adapters - I don't use 209's) from PR Bullet Precision Rifle Home - the world's most innovative Muzzleloader Bullets (been using their stuff since about 2000). I've shot a lot of their stuff over the years and the load I've been using for the last several years is a duplex .357 sabot.

 

[MossRoad]

Yeah, I think Indiana has now allowed some rifles in some calibers. And they have allowed large rifle cartridges in pistols for years. I just don't see the need for rifles in northern Indiana. There are extremely few places in Indiana where you are less than 1/2 mile from a road. Especially the northern 2/3 of the state. Indiana was pretty much broken up into 640 acre sections a hundred years ago with a road between pretty much every one of those sections, which is a square mile. So if you are standing in the middle of even the largest farm around here, you're only 1/2 mile from a road. While the folks that decided to compare states that do allow rifles to Indiana cite no increase in accidents in those states, those states they quote are not flat, like northern Indiana. From South Bend, Indiana west to the Illinois border (about 90 miles), there's only an 11' drop in elevation. That's flat. No hills to stop bullets. Anyhow, that's just my opinion. Shotguns work just fine around here.

 

[hutchman]

Yeah, I think Indiana has now allowed some rifles in some calibers. And they have allowed large rifle cartridges in pistols for years. I just don't see the need for rifles in northern Indiana. There are extremely few places in Indiana where you are less than 1/2 mile from a road. Especially the northern 2/3 of the state. Indiana was pretty much broken up into 640 acre sections a hundred years ago with a road between pretty much every one of those sections, which is a square mile. So if you are standing in the middle of even the largest farm around here, you're only 1/2 mile from a road. While the folks that decided to compare states that do allow rifles to Indiana cite no increase in accidents in those states, those states they quote are not flat, like northern Indiana. From South Bend, Indiana west to the Illinois border (about 90 miles), there's only an 11' drop in elevation. That's flat. No hills to stop bullets. Anyhow, that's just my opinion. Shotguns work just fine around here.

Crazy flat! No wonder your Impala gets such good MPG

My uncle used to work in the steel mills in Gary. I always thought it was weird how flat it was. Then I moved to Alabama and that's flat and hot!

 

[k0ua]

FN- FAL 7.62x51

 

[hutchman]

FN- FAL 7.62x51

We have a winner!

Built in Argentina in the 90's for some government that didn't take delivery. The full auto receivers were chopped and the parts imported to US. Built it on a Coonan receiver.

 

[MossRoad]

Crazy flat! No wonder your Impala gets such good MPG

My uncle used to work in the steel mills in Gary. I always thought it was weird how flat it was. Then I moved to Alabama and that's flat and hot!

Yeah, once you get about 15 miles southwest of South Bend, its one long, flat, boring drive almost all the way to St. Louis!