Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement?

[300UGUY]

It is interesting that HS is getting his medical and pension from the government, but doesn't feel anybody else should. Was being in the Coast Guard that heroic that he should be "special". ?

 

[houstonscott]

It is interesting that HS is getting his medical and pension from the government, but doesn't feel anybody else should. Was being in the Coast Guard that heroic that he should be "special". ?

Again you don't really understand the nuances of a military retirement. Although that's what it's know as by low information types it's actually a retainer to remain on call at the Presidents order, and I remain under the UCMJ for as long as I collect. Technically there is no military retirement. As far as that agreement, it's actually a contract between me and the government. It's not a benefit like, SS, or Medicare that can be cancelled. It's interesting to me to watch people lash out at those enlightening them to understanding their own form of government, as their own understanding is bunked and the real picture begins to clear. It's 7th grade stuff, but it's not required learning anymore. I'm sure you would have much rather had me step onto your yacht in full understanding of YOUR constitutionally protected rights with my .45, shotgun, and M16 rather than Louis Learner. Lol. HS

 

[riptides]

It is interesting that HS is getting his medical and pension from the government, but doesn't feel anybody else should. Was being in the Coast Guard that heroic that he should be "special". ?

The Coast Guard is a service. They serve our country. They go in harms way too.

All who serve are special. Respect is given in that sense, it is earned in other aspects of life.

 

[Capricious]

"... it's actually a retainer to remain on call at the Presidents order..."




Now, is that the president "elected by the American People," as you put it?

And, so, you were in the COAST GUARD???

After a few decades of employment in what can be termed the "merchant marine," and having dealt with the Coast Guard on many many issues, I do not have a very high opinion of the United States Coast Guard.

Oh, sure, a few of them go "in harm's way," but a very large percentage does little other than make life difficult for us "low information types" who try to make a living on the water.

 

[houstonscott]

"... it's actually a retainer to remain on call at the Presidents order..." Now, is that the president "elected by the American People," as you put it? And, so, you were in the COAST GUARD??? After a few decades of employment in what can be termed the "merchant marine," and having dealt with the Coast Guard on many many issues, I do not have a very high opinion of the United States Coast Guard. Oh, sure, a few of them go "in harm's way," but a very large percentage does little other than make life difficult for us "low information types" who try to make a living on the water.

That President is elected by the States genius. HS

 

[RedNeckGeek]

This has been an interesting and helpful thread. Right up until the last few pages of pissing match. Maybe it's the weather back east, maybe it's the post holiday crush of bills, maybe it's just plain old mean spiritedness. Whatever the cause, there's no room for it here on TBN.

I suggest that before you post, ask yourself "What has my post got to do with the thread subject?" In this case, that's the role of luck in obtaining a secure retirement. If there's a connection, go ahead and post but keep it on point and respectful. Otherwise, consider my mom's advise: If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.

 

[houstonscott]

This has been an interesting and helpful thread. Right up until the last few pages of pissing match. Maybe it's the weather back east, maybe it's the post holiday crush of bills, maybe it's just plain old mean spiritedness. Whatever the cause, there's no room for it here on TBN. I suggest that before you post, ask yourself "What has my post got to do with the thread subject?" In this case, that's the role of luck in obtaining a secure retirement. If there's a connection, go ahead and post but keep it on point and respectful. Otherwise, consider my mom's advise: If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.

you are right, hey, do you fish Hat Creek? Love that place. HS

 

[TomSeller]

....military retirement..... it's actually a retainer to remain on call at the Presidents order, and I remain under the UCMJ for as long as I collect...... it's actually a contract between me and the government......I'm sure you would have much rather had me step onto your yacht in full understanding of YOUR constitutionally protected rights with my .45, shotgun, and M16 HS

Let us know what Obama says when you talk to him. And post a picture or it didn't happen.

These USCG websites call you a retiree, and talk about your entitlements.

Coast USCG 1 Guard Retiree Services Program
Coast USCG 2 Guard Retiree Services Program

It sure sounds like a retirement (entitlement) program to me. Similar to everyone else's.

 

[TomSeller]

Duplicate

 

[houstonscott]

Let us know what Obama says when you talk to him. And post a picture or it didn't happen. These USCG websites call you a retiree, and talk about your entitlements. Coast]USCG: Page Not Found Guard Retiree Services Program Coast]USCG: Page Not Found Guard Retiree Services Program It sure sounds like a retirement (entitlement) program to me. Similar to everyone else's.

Take your vendetta somewhere else boy. HS.

 

[TomSeller]

Take your vendetta somewhere else boy. HS.

Truth hurts? Any retirees stepping on my yacht get to go for a swim.

 

[Parkanzky]

Take your vendetta somewhere else boy. HS.

You're both sniping at each other mercilessly, but at least make your arguments with some civility and show a bit of respect for alternate perspectives.

Things like calling someone "genius" as a sarcastic jab at their intelligence, referring to anybody that doesn't agree to you as a "low information type," calling college educated people "handicapped idiots," and referring to a mature adult as "boy" are rude.

Immediately dismissing any discussion or evidence that doesn't agree with your pre-held opinions of the way that society/government/the world works and attacking anyone with a different viewpoint is the behavior of a bigot and a zealot.

Poor behavior is highly unlikely to convince anybody to consider your viewpoint. So, if you want us to listen to what you have to say it would be to your benefit to present your points politely. If not, then I'll assume that your real aim is to take pleasure from behaving badly and I'll make use of the "ignore" feature of the forum.

 

[TomSeller]

While long term care is certainly an issue, I don't know if long term care insurance is a good idea or not.

What happens if that particular insurance companys goes belly-up? And even if it doesn't I have seen many many cases where people thought they had insurance coverage for some loss and the insurance company refused to pay.

I have a real problem with paying an insurance company today for coverage of a risk that could be a decade or two (or more) in the future.

This is something we all probably need to know more about

 

[Parkanzky]

I commented in the long term care insurance thread linked above. I was trying to make sure that we'd have security in our retirement, so I looked into a few long term care insurance options.

The policies I looked at had maximum monthly benefits and then a lifetime cap on the payout. And if I just added up the premiums we'd pay until we were likely to need long-term care, we'd be able to save about the same (or more) money than the maximum benefit on our own.

There might be a "sweet spot" for getting the coverage. If you're too young, you'll pay way too much in premiums over your lifetime to make it a good financial decision. If you wait until you're older, the premiums go up a lot. There might be a time in the middle where you get good value from a policy.

 

[texasjohn]

I commented in the long term care insurance thread linked above. I was trying to make sure that we'd have security in our retirement, so I looked into a few long term care insurance options.

The policies I looked at had maximum monthly benefits and then a lifetime cap on the payout. And if I just added up the premiums we'd pay until we were likely to need long-term care, we'd be able to save about the same (or more) money than the maximum benefit on our own.

There might be a "sweet spot" for getting the coverage. If you're too young, you'll pay way too much in premiums over your lifetime to make it a good financial decision. If you wait until you're older, the premiums go up a lot. There might be a time in the middle where you get good value from a policy.

Your analysis matches mine, re LTC.

AND, I concur with your post 712, and DO recommend "ignore" for those who behave badly. I use the feature sparingly, but when I do, it is earned.

 

[TomSeller]

There might be a time in the middle where you get good value from a policy.

Opinion on how many years before say age 65 retirement this might start and end?

 

[JDgreen227]

Your analysis matches mine, re LTC.

AND, I concur with your post 712, and DO recommend "ignore" for those who behave badly. I use the feature sparingly, but when I do, it is earned.

There are a few trolls on every internet discussion group, and the sad truth is while some are quite intelligent, their viewpoints do little except create dissent, meaning they appear to be outright morons to those who actually contribute positively to a thread. Such cretins are so obvious it's almost laughable.

 

[Parkanzky]

Opinion on how many years before say age 65 retirement this might start and end?

Sorry, I don't have any idea. I stopped trying to figure it all out when it became obvious that the policies we were looking at weren't a good value at our age (late 30's).

 

[KiotiKowboy]

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The policies I looked at had maximum monthly benefits and then a lifetime cap on the payout. And if I just added up the premiums we'd pay until we were likely to need long-term care, we'd be able to save about the same (or more) money than the maximum benefit on our own.

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Well ... let's see ...... We pay $160 per month for 2 long-term care policies. They pay up to $4K per month for either 4 or 5 years - we'll use 4 for now. Breaking that down for each of us, that would be an investment of $80 per month = $960 per year. The potential payout would be $48K per year x 4 = $192K.

Investing $960 per year would require 200 years to become a zero-sum game. And, who can say ..... While we can pay the small premiums now, will we be able to pay the alternative $4K per month later? And, ours, do have a life insurance benefit attached to them as well.

I see these policies as a safety net. They pay on top of what you would have from normal insurance and/or medicare. So, it may mean the difference between living in Hxll or at least modest safety and comfort.

 

[houstonscott]

Well ... let's see ...... We pay $160 per month for 2 long-term care policies. They pay up to $4K per month for either 4 or 5 years - we'll use 4 for now. Breaking that down for each of us, that would be an investment of $80 per month = $960 per year. The potential payout would be $48K per year x 4 = $192K. Investing $960 per year would require 200 years to become a zero-sum game. And, who can say ..... While we can pay the small premiums now, will we be able to pay the alternative $4K per month later? And, ours, do have a life insurance benefit attached to them as well. I see these policies as a safety net. They pay on top of what you would have from normal insurance and/or medicare. So, it may mean the difference between living in Hxll or at least modest safety and comfort.

As long as government assumes responsibility when people can't pay, and all the facilities are regulated, people will look to hide and protect their wealth from being taken to support elders in long term care. The tactic is hide your wealth protect it and let State pay, that's why people don't buy long term care. HS