UFO's... What do you think?

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Radar data is not just lights in the sky... Japan air 1628


I just read about Japan Air 1628! Amazing! This is the type of stories I was interested in when I started this thread. Seasoned professionals obviously seeing something!
 
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As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.


Not grim. Cooperation breeds lethargy, competition accelerates progress. In my mind anyway.

In my mind, technological advances need two elements: Incentive and opportunity. War provides both. As they say, necessity is the mother of invention...during wartime, necessity is everywhere...and in developed nations, resources are available to provide the opportunity...the money if you will...for development. These elements exist outside of warfare, but without the urgency. Incentive and opportunity will invariably be tied to economics, in that research will need a pay out, and the payout potential must be great before a large and/or concentrated effort can be financed.

I have no doubt that mankind has the wherewithal to focus on a problem...any problem, including traveling to planets light years away...and find answers and solutions. I also have no doubt that that kind of universal cooperation/commitment will never happen in the foreseeable future.
 
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I have no doubt that mankind has the wherewithal to focus on a problem...any problem, including traveling to planets light years away...and find answers and solutions. I also have no doubt that that kind of universal cooperation/commitment will never happen in the foreseeable future.

Necessity is the mother of invention. The question is will humans see the necessity while there is enough time for the invention part.
 
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Who's passing on the most genes now?? The Chinese and the Indians. And they are smarter than us, work harder than us, are starting to consume more resources than us, and will eventually take over as the dominant societies for a time, just as England did before we did. We (human kind) do not have the means to transcend our basic natures, which is survival of the fittest, not cooperation with the "smartest".

As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.

I never knew you are such a pessimist. :)

Fertility and the resulting population is highly correlated to wealth and education, or the lack of those two factors.
Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less | The Economist
Population and Poverty: New Views on an Old Controversy
Demographics and Poverty | Center For Global Development

Whether you take the view that high fertility causes poverty, or that high fertility is a result of poverty--they travel together. When looking at the global population then, those passing on the most genes are the least wealthy and least educated. That's true if you look at who is producing the most births in the US, India, or Ethiopia. China is a special case with their "one child" policy. But, would you argue that that policy, whatever else you may think about it, has played no role in China's economic growth?

Reality is the inverse of the result we would expect if the "passing on genes" is something the "fittest" are fighting to dominate or claiming as a prerogative of their fitness as demonstrated by their control of the available resources.

I see a creeping movement underway towards more global cooperation. Efforts to control global population are a cooperative effort. Scientific research is carried out and funded by international teams. Getting a handle on the globe's carbon footprint is an international effort. The International Space Station (ISS) is a collaborative effort. Sanctions applied to bad actor nations or ISIS-style groups are a multinational cooperative effort. The economy of any given nation has become more dependent on global factors and with more global inter-dependencies.

The people of the world are busy developing and leveraging shared values. We are communicating with each other in ways never before possible beyond stilted speeches delivered at a UN podium. We certainly have a ways to go before, "What if they gave a war and no one showed up?" can happen but we are moving in that direction. That is nothing to be grim about.
 
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Count your blessings. Although cooperative mankind could accomplish much, it would most likely result in evil. I give you the Tower of Babel as an example. If you define "cooperative" as some form of global government, that would most assuredly yield tyranny beyond your imagination. I've always said - In a One World government there is nowhere to run.

To achieve some of the fundamental values held by Christian theology requires one to transcend their biological nature. That theology places a value on cooperation between people; an importance placed on community. I have always thought that is a major reason for the appeal and success of the Christian creed.
 
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Looking forward to seeing this:
Home | The Principle

If you're into that pick up a copy and read Paul Davies Mind of God. Great stuff and definitely a gateway into theoretical physics well written on a lay level that makes it into a page turner. Davies is interesting in that he predicted we would find the top quark in just a few years, and sure enough we did, confirming the trajectory of his thesis.

The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis for a Rational World: Paul Davies: 9780671797188: Amazon.com: Books
 
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I never knew you are such a pessimist. :)

Fertility and the resulting population is highly correlated to wealth and education, or the lack of those two factors.
Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less | The Economist
Population and Poverty: New Views on an Old Controversy
Demographics and Poverty | Center For Global Development

Whether you take the view that high fertility causes poverty, or that high fertility is a result of poverty--they travel together. When looking at the global population then, those passing on the most genes are the least wealthy and least educated. That's true if you look at who is producing the most births in the US, India, or Ethiopia. China is a special case with their "one child" policy. But, would you argue that that policy, whatever else you may think about it, has played no role in China's economic growth?

Reality is the inverse of the result we would expect if the "passing on genes" is something the "fittest" are fighting to dominate or claiming as a prerogative of their fitness as demonstrated by their control of the available resources.

I see a creeping movement underway towards more global cooperation. Efforts to control global population are a cooperative effort. Scientific research is carried out and funded by international teams. Getting a handle on the globe's carbon footprint is an international effort. The International Space Station (ISS) is a collaborative effort. Sanctions applied to bad actor nations or ISIS-style groups are a multinational cooperative effort. The economy of any given nation has become more dependent on global factors and with more global inter-dependencies.

The people of the world are busy developing and leveraging shared values. We are communicating with each other in ways never before possible beyond stilted speeches delivered at a UN podium. We certainly have a ways to go before, "What if they gave a war and no one showed up?" can happen but we are moving in that direction. That is nothing to be grim about.

As nations gain wealth, we've learned that if you have money, you want less kids so you have more time to enjoy your money.
 
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I just read about Japan Air 1628! Amazing! This is the type of stories I was interested in when I started this thread. Seasoned professionals obviously seeing something!


It did convince Callahan- the FAA division chief.

The pilot Terauchi an ex fighter pilot had over 10,000 hours of flight experience seems credible also his account was backed up by the co-pilot and flight engineer.

PapaPerk if you found the JAL 1628 interesting I think you would enjoy this-
Black Box UFO Secrets - Top Documentary Films

It contains many recordings released through the freedom of information act and also contains much of the JAL 1628 communications.
 
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