2013 Tundra vs 2013 Ford

[Turbys_1700]

I remember in 1994 riding in a classmates new Z28, thinking it was one of the fastest stock cars I had ridden in. It had 275hp stock, LT1 350cu in automatic. It ran low 14s in the 1/4. This truck feels like that car. Way quicker than I thought.

When I turned 17 my dad gave me my sister's 1970 Old's Cutlass SX...
W30 455...
Needless to say...
It would run...

 

[94BULLITT]

I don't think Ford made a mistake by going all automatic. The 5 and 6 speed Torqueshifts are excellent transmissions for pulling trailers when combined with the tow/haul mode and integrated brake controller. I don't know how you could control a trailer any better with a stick shift. When you are in tow/haul mode the trans downshifts as you apply the brakes, the harder you brake the more aggressive the downshifts will be. If you want more control you can use the manual mode and select what gear you want. The auto will react faster to slow down in an emergency stop than trying to downshift a manual trans. At any rate it won't be long before the government will eliminate manual transmissions in pickups just because of emission controls.

I personally like manual transmissions but I haven't cared for them since they started drive-by-wire throttle control. Never could get used to the throttle at slow speeds, too jerky. If I want to shift gears I can drive my '59 White with its 13 speed RoadRanger transmission.

The F-150's with the 6R80 downshift as you hit the brakes in tow haul.

 

[jacksmithers]

I debated a Tundra CrewMax vs. a Ford Ecoboost CrewCab and went with the Ford, although I've owned a Ford (Ranger) for 10 years, and a Toyota (Tacoma) each for 10 years and 200k miles. The Toyota has been in my experience far and away the better quality, more reliable vehicle. I swore I would never buy another Ford, but broke down and bought one.

I drove the Tundra and F150 before buying my current F150 and actually like the Tundra better but the F150 gives me the ability to tow 11,100 lbs and has a 6.5 bed (Crew Cab). One thing I will never do is have another 5 ft bed like I did on my Tacoma again, and the Tundra for 2014, although I was hoping it wouldn't, continues the same bed length in the CrewMax (5.5 feet - in the CrewMax).

Look at what you're trying to do. If you don't need a 6.5 foot or longer bed (again CrewMax), and don't need over 9,100 in towing capacity, get the Tundra. No question, hands down, get the Tundra. Toyota is just flat out better. You can argue all day, but Toyota is better quality, and it holds its value longer. 10 years from now, someone will still pay up for a Toyota. Ford? Forget about it. Bottom dollar, if that.

If you need more capacity, go with the F150, but make sure it's properly equipped. Although Ford advertises an 11,000+ towing capacity for the F150, you have to get it properly equipped - with the Max Trailer Tow package. I also got mine with the Heavy Duty Payload package (very rare, but it allows you to realistically tow a 10,000 lb trailer). Toyota, on the other hand, advertises a certain towing capacity for the Tundra, and outfits nearly every one to do that.

 

[JIGBUILDER]

If you need more capacity, go with the F150, but make sure it's properly equipped. Although Ford advertises an 11,000+ towing capacity for the F150, you have to get it properly equipped - with the Max Trailer Tow package. I also got mine with the Heavy Duty Payload package (very rare, but it allows you to realistically tow a 10,000 lb trailer).

According to Fords Fleet advisory spec pages the F150 MAX tow package has up to 7700 GVWR with the smaller 4050 RAWR and 2000 lb payloads.

The F150 HD package has the bigger 8200 GVWR and 4800 RAWR E tires and wheel with 3100 lb payloads all depending on cab selection. The HD package as yours is the one to have.

The 6.2 gasser and the 3.5 EB engine both have tow rating up in the 11.2k-11.3k lbs.

 

[sodamo]

Can't speak to the Ford other than I'd likely not own another, but last two were class c RV and a conversion van, not p/u.
I did trade my 2007 GMC3500, diesel, double cab, 8 ft bed 4x4 auto for my 2012 Tundra crew cab, 5.7, 5.5 (I think) bed, 4x4 auto. Had roof racks installed for the occasional long item, have a trailer for others, Leer Cap for the dogs. Couldn't be happier. GMAC had major tranny work under warranty, couple of service calls at over $1k and only had 25k when traded. Probably never own another. Mileage isn't a great consideration as I have a 2 mile up hill trek to get home. Our Toyota dealership now has the GM dealership. Additionally, I privately sold my very basic 2009 Tacoma about same time and came out quite well financially. My wife sometimes reminds me that we should have gotten the Tundra instead of the GMAC, but I have to remind her the Tundra wasn't available, the GMC was on the lot.

David Sent from my iPad using TractorByNet

 

[boutym]

I debated a Tundra CrewMax vs. a Ford Ecoboost CrewCab and went with the Ford, although I've owned a Ford (Ranger) for 10 years, and a Toyota (Tacoma) each for 10 years and 200k miles. The Toyota has been in my experience far and away the better quality, more reliable vehicle. I swore I would never buy another Ford, but broke down and bought one.

I drove the Tundra and F150 before buying my current F150 and actually like the Tundra better but the F150 gives me the ability to tow 11,100 lbs and has a 6.5 bed (Crew Cab). One thing I will never do is have another 5 ft bed like I did on my Tacoma again, and the Tundra for 2014, although I was hoping it wouldn't, continues the same bed length in the CrewMax (5.5 feet - in the CrewMax).

Look at what you're trying to do. If you don't need a 6.5 foot or longer bed (again CrewMax), and don't need over 9,100 in towing capacity, get the Tundra. No question, hands down, get the Tundra. Toyota is just flat out better. You can argue all day, but Toyota is better quality, and it holds its value longer. 10 years from now, someone will still pay up for a Toyota. Ford? Forget about it. Bottom dollar, if that.

If you need more capacity, go with the F150, but make sure it's properly equipped. Although Ford advertises an 11,000+ towing capacity for the F150, you have to get it properly equipped - with the Max Trailer Tow package. I also got mine with the Heavy Duty Payload package (very rare, but it allows you to realistically tow a 10,000 lb trailer). Toyota, on the other hand, advertises a certain towing capacity for the Tundra, and outfits nearly every one to do that.

I saw a Tundra crew cab the other day with the 8 foot bed. No idea how they got it unless it was park of a special fleet order. Had no markings beside the usual factory stuff. When I bought mine the dealer told me there was no way to even order something like this.

 

[boutym]

I debated a Tundra CrewMax vs. a Ford Ecoboost CrewCab and went with the Ford, although I've owned a Ford (Ranger) for 10 years, and a Toyota (Tacoma) each for 10 years and 200k miles. The Toyota has been in my experience far and away the better quality, more reliable vehicle. I swore I would never buy another Ford, but broke down and bought one.

I drove the Tundra and F150 before buying my current F150 and actually like the Tundra better but the F150 gives me the ability to tow 11,100 lbs and has a 6.5 bed (Crew Cab). One thing I will never do is have another 5 ft bed like I did on my Tacoma again, and the Tundra for 2014, although I was hoping it wouldn't, continues the same bed length in the CrewMax (5.5 feet - in the CrewMax).

Look at what you're trying to do. If you don't need a 6.5 foot or longer bed (again CrewMax), and don't need over 9,100 in towing capacity, get the Tundra. No question, hands down, get the Tundra. Toyota is just flat out better. You can argue all day, but Toyota is better quality, and it holds its value longer. 10 years from now, someone will still pay up for a Toyota. Ford? Forget about it. Bottom dollar, if that.

If you need more capacity, go with the F150, but make sure it's properly equipped. Although Ford advertises an 11,000+ towing capacity for the F150, you have to get it properly equipped - with the Max Trailer Tow package. I also got mine with the Heavy Duty Payload package (very rare, but it allows you to realistically tow a 10,000 lb trailer). Toyota, on the other hand, advertises a certain towing capacity for the Tundra, and outfits nearly every one to do that.

I saw a Tundra crew cab the other day with the 8 foot bed. No idea how they got it unless it was park of a special fleet order. Had no markings beside the usual factory stuff. When I bought mine the dealer told me there was no way to even order something like this.

 

[94BULLITT]

I saw a Tundra crew cab the other day with the 8 foot bed. No idea how they got it unless it was park of a special fleet order. Had no markings beside the usual factory stuff. When I bought mine the dealer told me there was no way to even order something like this.

Are you sure it was a crewcab? The have a double cab. It is a extended cab but the doors open from the outside just like a crewcab. GM is now copying Toyota with their own version of a double cab.

 

[Mikeeemo]

I saw a Tundra crew cab the other day with the 8 foot bed. No idea how they got it unless it was park of a special fleet order. Had no markings beside the usual factory stuff. When I bought mine the dealer told me there was no way to even order something like this.

The Double Cab is the 'crew cab' of the series and is available with a 6 or 8 foot bed.

The Crew Max has a huge back seat, huge rear doors and a 5 1/2 foot bed.

The Crew Max takes space from the bed and gives it to the passengers.

The Double Cab is much bigger that what is referred to as an extended cab.

I had an extended cab in the past, there is no comparison.

I have a double cab 8 foot bed, they are not as common, but I see them on the road.

 

[boutym]

Are you sure it was a crewcab? The have a double cab. It is a extended cab but the doors open from the outside just like a crewcab. GM is now copying Toyota with their own version of a double cab.

Yep, it was a crew cab. I have a double cab so am intimately familiar with what they look like. I noticed it immediately because it looked LONG for a Tundra of any flavor and then it hit me it most certainly was a crew cab with the long bed. What made it more noticeable was that I had inquired about just this type of truck when I bought mine.

 

[boutym]

My term for crew cab in the Tundra line is the Crew Max and I am 100% certain that's what the truck I saw was. If it had been easy to get to it from where I was at the time I would certainly have asked where/how it was ordered like that. Like I say, it could have been some special fleet order thing or something, which is not necessarily unheard of. I once owned a Ford LTD that was originally built for police work that was different than any police model I or many cop friends of mine had ever seen. It never saw police work and had 13k miles on it when I bought it. Looked new, smelled new, was wicked fast and handled turns like they were nothing. Never could find out what or who it was intended for, but it was one of the best cars I ever owned and often was mistaken for an unmarked even by law enforcement.

 

[Code54]

There are a few private company's that are doing stretched trucks where they will extend the frame to add a long bed to a truck that is not normally configured as such. See it on the Dodge Megacabs.
Not really a big big deal - reinforce/extend frame, extend driveline, brake lines, etc.. then bolt on a factory long bed - now you have a "factory" looking crew max long bed. Check out LONGBEDMYTRUCK dot com - think they have a brochure that shows the Tundra.

 

[sodamo]

Just saw our local Ford ad on TV. Compare the F150 to Toyota Tacoma (not Tundra). Of course as I understand it, Tacoma is not only best selling truck in Hawaii, but best selling vehicle.

David Sent from my iPad using TractorByNet

 

[TSO]

This is an old thread, and I haven't read thru the entire thing yet, but I've owned both so I thought I'd weigh in.

Owned:
86 F150 300ci 6cyl
86 Bronco 302
92 F250 7.3L
A bunch of Rangers
04 F150 5.4L
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07 Tundra 4.7L Double Cab (extended)
10 Tundra 5.7L CrewMax 4x4 with 20" rims & a leer cap-topper
04 Toy Sequoia 4.7L.
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08 F250 v10 Crew.


With the exception of this F250, from my experience, the Toyota's are much, much better vehicles. They are more reliable, much less expensive to own, and retain their value SOOOO much better. The 5.7L v8 in the Tundra is a powerhouse. Paired with the 4.30's, that thing tows like a dream. I would say it tows about as well as my F250 v10. My lifetime average (Fuelly) for my 5.7L 4x4 crew was just under 15mpg. When you consider the Fuelly numbers from people, you realize that all the trucks, when similarly equipped, are very close in MPG's. My F250 v10 on the other hand, is a pure gas hog. Empty 11-12mpg, towing 9-10mpg.

Now, I sold the 10 Tundra when we moved out of the City and needed to downgrade my payments & increase MPG's. Picked up a used Prius (45mpg ) and my used Sequoia (4.7L, 15mpg), and still pay less per month for the payments than I did on the Tundra.

This 08 F250 is a good truck tho. Ford SuperDuty's are notorious for killing ball-joints & hubs, so when these go again I'll replace them with moog and hopefully get more life. The truck is solid though, and I needed to upgrade to a HD truck with more capacity. If Toyota made a dang HD truck, I would like to own one. They were supposed to put a diesel in a 1-ton truck back in 07-08, but things changed with the market.

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Back to the point of this thread. If I was towing with a 1/2 ton all the time, I'd go with the Tundra because I feel the drivetrain components are much better built for towing, and I believe the truck is a better vehicle overall than any other 1/2 ton, when all things are considered. I would not want to tax a turbo'd v6 for constant heavy towing, and the 5.0 might be underpowered. That 5.7L in the Tundra is a torque monster, and most of the torque is available all the time. I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have that in my F250 than the V10 that's in there.

But the trade-off for the Tundra is their business model... they make what configurations they WANT to make, not necessarily what the people want. I cried for a CrewMax with a 6.5' or bigger bed, but they kept the 5.5' bed on it. Offer a 6.5' or 8' bed on the Crew and I think they'd boost sales by a fair number.

 

[sld]

I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have that in my F250 than the V10 that's in there.

I was reading with an open mind until you made this statement. You lost your credibility on that one.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I was reading with an open mind until you made this statement. You lost your credibility on that one.

why would you think that? the V10 is only 362hp and 457 ft/lbs. Not exactly a monster by today's standards. Maybe the writer liked the tundra engine better.

 

[TSO]

I was reading with an open mind until you made this statement. You lost your credibility on that one.

Have you owned both? I have. The Toyota 5.7 was 381hp/401tq, with a smooth 6spd tranny & 4.30's.

Once you own and tow with both, then you can question my credibility.

 

[jejeosborne]

Have you owned both? I have. The Toyota 5.7 was 381hp/401tq, with a smooth 6spd tranny & 4.30's.

Once you own and tow with both, then you can question my credibility.

You are not comparing vehicles relevant to this thread. Ford doesn't put that engine and transmission in a 2013 F150. The engine changes that took place in 2011 are drastically different.

 

[TSO]

You are not comparing vehicles relevant to this thread. Ford doesn't put that engine and transmission in a 2013 F150. The engine changes that took place in 2011 are drastically different.

Incorrect, the 2013 Tundra uses the same drivetrain as it did in 2010. So when I speak of that vehicle and my experience with it, it is relevant when the thread began with that vehicle as half of the equation.

 

[sld]

Have you owned both? I have. The Toyota 5.7 was 381hp/401tq, with a smooth 6spd tranny & 4.30's.

Once you own and tow with both, then you can question my credibility.

Google "area under the curve" and get back to me.

My F250 has 4:30's. Did yours so we are comparing apples to apples? If it didn't, I could almost understand what you are saying. I have driven some 3:73 F250's with the V10 and it makes a big difference.