County says no camping on your own land !!

   / County says no camping on your own land !! #31  
Most likely it is about stopping landowners from setting up travel trailers/rv's etc and living in them forever as a permanent residence. Another example of a law written with good intentions but left too much up to interpretation.

There is a mobile home I drive past that has a RV trailer out front. I think the people who live in the mobile home inherited the land, because behind the MH, is a very old house and outbuildings that are falling down. When the MH was new, it was nice looking, but it is getting run down now. They never put down gravel so the place can be a muddy mess after a rain. They have had a RV trailer sitting next to the MH for years and someone lives in it. There are usually multiple cars at the place so it looks like they have quite a few adults living there from time to time in both trailers.

What is funny to me, is that back in the snooty city we used too live in, we were having problems with a rental house that had three men living in it along with girl friends. The problem was parking of their cars, a junked car, and one of the guys was dealing drugs. Anywho, what shocked me is that city ordinances allowed up to EIGHT unrelated people to be living in a house! The city regulations did not limit people by the number of bedrooms, but just the number of people in the house, which really makes no sense. :confused3:

Later,
Dan
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #32  
I would post my land, and ignore the rules. I would also un-hook the camper from the septic system, and periodically dump the holding tank into the system.
1) They will need a warrant to visit your camper
2) They will have to prove that it is being used as a domicile
3) Make an attempt to get the quote about Boy Scouts on an e-mail.

Don't use the commission for your battles, use the courts.
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #33  
I live in Westmoreland County Virginia. We have the same stupid law here.
I can park my motorhome in the driveway but can't go out and sleep in it because then
I would be camping!
i was told by the county that it was a health and safety issue and also designed to foster the campground industry.

Guess I'm just going to have to be a criminal and an outlaw. Sic Semper Tyrannis! (I know JWB said this when he shot Lincoln. But he did have a point.)
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #34  
Again, its campground owners you are fighting. They are the one who lobbies for the no camping and 'no overnight parking' laws...
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #35  
People are just NUTS!
I see nothing wrong with "Living in a Van down by the river" !!! :)

Your first mistake is thinking that you own your land.
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #36  
People are just NUTS!
I see nothing wrong with "Living in a Van down by the river" !!! :)

Your first mistake is thinking that you own your land.
This is a form of facism, you own it, as long as you pay the taxes. However, they, (bureaucrats), control it.
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #37  
I would post my land, and ignore the rules. I would also un-hook the camper from the septic system, and periodically dump the holding tank into the system.
1) They will need a warrant to visit your camper
2) They will have to prove that it is being used as a domicile
3) Make an attempt to get the quote about Boy Scouts on an e-mail.

Don't use the commission for your battles, use the courts.

There were a few comments similar to this. The problem is that the people in the Town governments don't need any facts. They can just right you up and let it go to court. It doesn't cost them since they will be using the money of the town against you.
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !! #38  
No freakin way, move to Texas
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !!
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#39  
There were a few comments similar to this. The problem is that the people in the Town governments don't need any facts. They can just right you up and let it go to court. It doesn't cost them since they will be using the money of the town against you.

This is true. Our tax money is used to support their bad behaviour, AGAINST us tax payers, and if they lose, they still keep the job. The previous poster said they need a warrant to "visit" my camper for compliance inspection. According to my friend, the sheriff, that is NOT true, as much as I hate it. I figure a LEO or fireman, coming on my property for a bonafide emergency, to save life and limb is one thing. Trespassing on my ground for THIS CRAP is uncalled for, and I suspect unconstitutional, but IANAL. Any lawyers out there? In my case, the inspector came on my place THREE times, all while I was at work (so I can pay his stupid salary in taxes!), even after I said I did not want him on my place, and the Posted sign was right there at the head of the driveway. At the board meeting I brought this up, and the big boss said the policy is they will make an attempt to reach the landowner first, but it was clear they did not do this in my case, and they did not dispute my accusation, but none of the commissioners made any further comment to demand to know why they BROKE county policy in this regard. I've had the same phone number (in the phone book) since 1988, and a answering machine which is never turned off---no messages from them, ever.
 
   / County says no camping on your own land !!
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Is there a website or other social media service that covers your county? We are lucky that a county citizen has been running a website for years and it is an excellent outlet for getting information out to a large number of people.

Seems like you have the news media involved but you have to keep the heat on the elected officials to change this type of law which takes time, effort and people. You would have to link up with existing groups that would support a change of the law. Scouts would be a start since the law prohibits them from camping on private land. The fact the elected official admits she would VIOLATE the law to allow exceptions SHOULD tick people off. hunting, ATV, 4x4 clubs, backpacking/hiking, canoeing and birding groups would all be affected by this law and SHOULD be interested in helping change the law. Given this is a wide spread problem there could/should be wide spread support in these groups to change the law.

These groups are likely to have web sites serving their members which would be helpful in letting people know how the law impacts them. To change this law, you needs hundreds of people packing the county meetings. It would be a big impact if the people were dressed and/or carrying the gear they use when using the outdoors. I would think that many of these groups are camping on private property but they did not know the law prevents them from doing so.

I have camped on private property on canoe trips and I and the group would have been shocked if we had been told that it was illegal to camp on that property. We did have written permission from the land owner.

There will be land owners who DO not want camping next to them, especially in trailers. I know of a couple of situation where people built "structures" and lived in them. The problem was the land was in subdivisions and the places WHERE a safety hazard. One guy was living in a shed built around an old school bus. He ran a generator to provide power that kept him warm by heating his water bed. The place was a real mess and no way would I want that type of neighbor. I know of another situation, in a really nice subdivision of home that cost $300,000 and up, where a family built a shack and were living in it in violation of the HOA and county regulations. For quite some time, they were living in an RV trailer.

If you really want to push this, I would suggest looking at the current law to make sure that the county is following the law. Then, write you own statue that would replace the existing one, but I would include words that would protect neighboring property owners. Those neighbors will be the most vocal people AGAINST allowing camping on private land. I don't believe that KOA is leading the charge to prevent camping on your own land. Not many people own land AND have RV/RV trailers to go camping. People against camping on your land are the neighbors who do not want a shack driving down their property values and/or having people hooting and hollering all night long at a party. I don't want a bunch of idiots getting drunk on the parcels next to me an keeping me awake at night. That will make me ornery. :mad::laughing::laughing::laughing:

The county SHOULD already have regulations in place covering noise and shacks. IF there is NOT a noise ordinance I would surly add it to the new camping regulation.

Updated regulation:
Camping is allowed on private land as long as the following requirements are met.
1 - Tent camping is allowed.

2 - RV or RV trailer camping is allowed for no longer than N consecutive nights.
( I would think 7 nights would be a good number but how many days of use can a black water tank hold? Even this language would be easy to work around, just haul the trailer to Walmart for an evening and you get another N days but that would be a PITA for someone really trying to game the law)
3 - If campers are not the land owners, written permission from the land owners, signed within the last year, must be in the possession of the campers.
(This helps enforce the law and prevents trespassers from claiming the land owner told them they could camp. The protects all landowners including the neighbors.)
4 - Trash and waste will be collected at the end of each camping stay and legally handled.
(It is the land owner benefit to do this anyway and trash has a way of getting worse, collecting more trash, and causing problems for neighbors.)
5 - Campers will not make noise that disturbs neighboring land owners.
(OK, this one is tricky. I would be shocked if the county does not have a noise ordinance. If they DO have a regulation, then just state that the noise ordinance applies to camping.)
6 - Violation of this regulation/ordinance(what ever it really is for the county in question) is XXXXX.
(The obvious penalty for the violation would be item 3 which would be trespassing which the county might already cover. Also, not picking up the trash and causing noise are a likely penalties already covered by current regulation)

Try to CHANGE the law to something that allows camping instead of removing the law. I think it is easier to change a law, than remove i,t especially one that impacts other land owners aka voters. By providing an updated regulation, the politician really has to say why they do not want to make a change and keeps the dialog going. It also shows what you are trying to do and should help get other user groups involved.

Later,
Dan

Later,
Dan

Thanks, Dan, for some well-thought out suggestions there. The problem with my county, is when I suggested some of the things you list, they just slammed them as being "more work monitoring camping all over this rural county and we don't have the time or personnel to run around keeping track of who stayed where how many days, or who didn't clean up their trash, or yada yada." I had no answer for that. For instance, I said they could find out if I was "living" anywhere with a power cord attached, by pulling the meter reading for the last three months (it was on a seperate meter account) and see that we used almost no power, but they said that was expecting too much. They had an excuse for everything.
 

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