Buying Advice kioti ck35hst sizing

[GreenWannabe]

Well sounds like Kioti Dk 40. Cant believe its 9k cheaper than the Kubota.

The DK45SEC I bought last year with brush cutter, tiller, quick hitch, and free loader was $10K less than quotes on both MF and Kubota.

 

[IslandTractor]

Well sounds like Kioti Dk 40. Cant believe its 9k cheaper than the Kubota.

Also, hard to believe it is 2k less than the identical Bobcat.

 

[k0ua]

Also, hard to believe it is 2k less than the identical Bobcat.

We have seen some of the Bobcat dealers really discounting their remaining stock, but not this one apparently.

 

[94BULLITT]

I priced all of the tractors here all at the same size...well as close as I could get all spec'd closely...all hydro drives, 4x4, etc...

Kubota L3940 - $30500
John Deere 3720 - $31500
Massey 1640 - $28500
LS R4041 - $23400
NH boomer 40 - 26500
Bobcat CT 440 - $24000
Kioti DK40SE just - $21800

Just comparing for prices here....this was discounts and dealer incentive pricing, so really the price I would be paying.

Find the tractor you like the best out of the bunch then go price shopping. Check at least 3 dealers. What all options did you get on the Kubota price? It sounds a little high.

 

[tedhrs]

Find the tractor you like the best out of the bunch then go price shopping. Check at least 3 dealers. What all options did you get on the Kubota price? It sounds a little high.

Here is what i did as far as spec's on the tractors for comparison and price shopping:
All were to have a front end loader with quick attach bucket
Bucket size was whatever it came with.
Engine size was to be pushing around 31-33 PTO horsepower
Hydrostatic Tranny
4x4
Remote Valves
Cruise Control
Grill Guard
Needed to have rear ballast in the tires
Nice adjustable seat
Loader control valve next to the seat instead of mounted on the loader
and the biggest thing for me is the more room in the platform area the better.
I'm a big guy, 6'2 245 and some of the operators area was just a little small.

As for the Kubota itself, i weighed the features between an L3800 and the Grand L3940 and liked the extra frill of the grand series, hence the price check.

I notified the Bobcat dealer that i could get the same tractor but in Kioti for a couple grand less....he just kinda passed it off.

 

[k0ua]

Well I can tell you this, you will not be dissatisfied with the Kioti DK40se. I have a slightly smaller version the DK35se hst. and I love it. The loader specs alone on the DK40se put in in the lead.. let alone the price. The Bobcat dealer is NOT doing what the other Bobcat dealers we are hearing about here are doing..So buy the Kioti, you will be pleased.

James K0UA

 

[tedhrs]

Well I can tell you this, you will not be dissatisfied with the Kioti DK40se. I have a slightly smaller version the DK35se hst. and I love it. The loader specs alone on the DK40se put in in the lead.. let alone the price. The Bobcat dealer is NOT doing what the other Bobcat dealers we are hearing about here are doing..So buy the Kioti, you will be pleased.

James K0UA

If the Bobcat came in at under $20k, i would have jumped on it. He has it sitting there on the lot all by it's lonesome.

 

[94BULLITT]

Here is what i did as far as spec's on the tractors for comparison and price shopping:
All were to have a front end loader with quick attach bucket
Bucket size was whatever it came with.
Engine size was to be pushing around 31-33 PTO horsepower
Hydrostatic Tranny
4x4
Remote Valves
Cruise Control
Grill Guard
Needed to have rear ballast in the tires
Nice adjustable seat
Loader control valve next to the seat instead of mounted on the loader
and the biggest thing for me is the more room in the platform area the better.
I'm a big guy, 6'2 245 and some of the operators area was just a little small.

As for the Kubota itself, i weighed the features between an L3800 and the Grand L3940 and liked the extra frill of the grand series, hence the price check.

I notified the Bobcat dealer that i could get the same tractor but in Kioti for a couple grand less....he just kinda passed it off.

I was wrong that is actually a extremely good price. It looks like it was 22% off. I guess it sounded high because I was looking at cab tractors and they were not a lot more. I think if you are going to be running a grapple you should get a 3rd function. You will need 3 arms to run a grapple off a remote at times. A 3rd function is a cleaner setup because you have steel lines on the loader instead of hoses. Also if you are leaning towards a Grand L Kubota you may want to look at the L4240. It has the biggest loader you can get on a Grand L. Something else you may want to consider is a cab. You don't have to worry about getting hot or cold or getting into a bees nest. Some other Kubota you may want to check out are a L4600 and a MX5100.

 

[IslandTractor]

I I think if you are going to be running a grapple you should get a 3rd function. You will need 3 arms to run a grapple off a remote at times. A 3rd function is a cleaner setup because you have steel lines on the loader instead of hoses. .

Not really. Easy peazy to operate a grapple with a remote. If you are coordinated enough to drive a 4 on the floor car you will quickly learn to drop your hand off the joystick to operate the remote. There is virtually never a time you need to operate the joystick and remote simultaneously. I have a diverter on my current DK40se but actually preferred the remote to control the same grapple on my first CK20. Never damaged hydraulic line either.

 

[94BULLITT]

Not really. Easy peazy to operate a grapple with a remote. If you are coordinated enough to drive a 4 on the floor car you will quickly learn to drop your hand off the joystick to operate the remote. There is virtually never a time you need to operate the joystick and remote simultaneously. I have a diverter on my current DK40se but actually preferred the remote to control the same grapple on my first CK20. Never damaged hydraulic line either.

I think if you are pulling into a pile of brush you will need to close the grapple the raise the loader and maybe curl the loader plus steer the tractor. If you have it on a remote you will not be as efficient because you will have to take your hand off the loader joystick and possibly come to a stop. I wasn't saying you will damage a hose but the factory 3rd function looks and fits nicely on the tractor. By the time you by a remote and run hose from the front to the back of the tractor add a set of quick disconnects at the loader tower and the front of the loader you are up to or above the price of a 3rd function.

 

[murphy1244]

I think if you are pulling into a pile of brush you will need to close the grapple the raise the loader and maybe curl the loader plus steer the tractor. If you have it on a remote you will not be as efficient because you will have to take your hand off the loader joystick and possibly come to a stop. I wasn't saying you will damage a hose but the factory 3rd function looks and fits nicely on the tractor. By the time you by a remote and run hose from the front to the back of the tractor add a set of quick disconnects at the loader tower and the front of the loader you are up to or above the price of a 3rd function.

Not true, Hose kit from MIE is 350.00 Your kit is over 800.00 Kioti comes with the first remote

 

[94BULLITT]

Not true, Hose kit from MIE is 350.00 Your kit is over 800.00 Kioti comes with the first remote

They only charged me $6XX for the 3rd function. Plus I still have , my remotes free to run the TNT.

 

[murphy1244]

Go with the DK-40 and both remotes.

 

[IslandTractor]

I think if you are pulling into a pile of brush you will need to close the grapple the raise the loader and maybe curl the loader plus steer the tractor. If you have it on a remote you will not be as efficient because you will have to take your hand off the loader joystick and possibly come to a stop. I wasn't saying you will damage a hose but the factory 3rd function looks and fits nicely on the tractor. By the time you by a remote and run hose from the front to the back of the tractor add a set of quick disconnects at the loader tower and the front of the loader you are up to or above the price of a 3rd function.

Having done the task you describe many many times with both systems, I still say there is virtually no difference in speed or ease. I make fewer grappling errors with the remote than with the third function diverter valve. Sometimes with the diverter you push the button a little to early or too late while operating the joystick and get a curl/dump function when you wanted grapple and vise versa. That sort of error virtually never occurs when using the remote as your hand is off the joystick. It simply becomes second nature with muscle memory to reach and operate the remote lever without looking or thinking any more than you would worry about shifting a manual transmission. It may sound more difficult but it really isn't.

Go check your prices on 3rd function valves vs remotes. The cost of a third function is about $600-900 installed by dealer. Probably more from the factory. The cost of using the rear remote (the DK40se has one standard) is jus the cost of hydraulic hose ($40-$50), fittings ($100 max) and a handful of zipties to hold the hoses up against the bottom of the operator station and along the FEL arms. $150 is way cheaper than any third function valve.

Final point: there are quite a few guys who for various reasons have been using rear remotes to control grapples. You don't see threads complaining about the "inefficiency" or difficulty of doing that. You also don't see threads from guys bragging that they "finally upgraded" from rear remotes. People who choose to start with grapple control via rear remote generally stick with it and are happy. 'nuf said.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

They only charged me $6XX for the 3rd function. Plus I still have , my remotes free to run the TNT.

Roger, you got a VERY VERY good price then. Kubota's 3rd function lists out for $917 for your tractor.

 

[IslandTractor]

Not true, Hose kit from MIE is 350.00 Your kit is over 800.00 Kioti comes with the first remote

MIE is great but for $350 his grapple kit must include a double set of fittings and hoses to allow a break at the operator station so you can remove the FEL without undoing the zipties. If someone really does remove their FEL all the time then it might be worth it. In seven years of tractor ownership I have removed my FEL once.

 

[94BULLITT]

Having done the task you describe many many times with both systems, I still say there is virtually no difference in speed or ease. I make fewer grappling errors with the remote than with the third function diverter valve. Sometimes with the diverter you push the button a little to early or too late while operating the joystick and get a curl/dump function when you wanted grapple and vise versa. That sort of error virtually never occurs when using the remote as your hand is off the joystick. It simply becomes second nature with muscle memory to reach and operate the remote lever without looking or thinking any more than you would worry about shifting a manual transmission. It may sound more difficult but it really isn't.

Go check your prices on 3rd function valves vs remotes. The cost of a third function is about $600-900 installed by dealer. Probably more from the factory. The cost of using the rear remote (the DK40se has one standard) is jus the cost of hydraulic hose ($40-$50), fittings ($100 max) and a handful of zipties to hold the hoses up against the bottom of the operator station and along the FEL arms. $150 is way cheaper than any third function valve.

Final point: there are quite a few guys who for various reasons have been using rear remotes to control grapples. You don't see threads complaining about the "inefficiency" or difficulty of doing that. You also don't see threads from guys bragging that they "finally upgraded" from rear remotes. People who choose to start with grapple control via rear remote generally stick with it and are happy. 'nuf said.

I am talking about a 3rd function not a divertor valve. With a 3rd funtion you can run all 3 functions at once.

 

[94BULLITT]

Roger, you got a VERY VERY good price then. Kubota's 3rd function lists out for $917 for your tractor.

I was wrong I looked at the paperwork it was $720.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I am talking about a 3rd function not a divertor valve. With a 3rd funtion you can run all 3 functions at once.

Roger, you can, but do you actually use all 3 functions at the same time? :confused3: And if you do, just how fast does everything actually move? My 7520 has a 17GPM implement pump and stuff moves slowly operating two functions, I can't imagine how slow things would be if I was operating 3 functions at once.

Just wondering is all. So many talk about having a true 3rd function, and that is all well and good. But how many actually make use of using 3 functions at once and at what speed are they able to do these operations?

 

[94BULLITT]

Roger, you can, but do you actually use all 3 functions at the same time? :confused3: And if you do, just how fast does everything actually move? My 7520 has a 17GPM implement pump and stuff moves slowly operating two functions, I can't imagine how slow things would be if I was operating 3 functions at once.

Just wondering is all. So many talk about having a true 3rd function, and that is all well and good. But how many actually make use of using 3 functions at once and at what speed are they able to do these operations?

I tried all 3 functions with the snowblade just to do it. I'll try it tomorrow with the grapple to see how fast it is. The point I was trying to make is you don't loose a function like you do with a divertor. You don't have to worry have the right function on either.