Kubota VS Mahindra Max

/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #161  
Well, good luck with that research. What do you mainly DO with your tractor, I.E. what do you use it for?

I don't actually own the GC1710 yet, Won't be picking it up till mid April. There is a story here, but I typed it out a couple times already. Short story, Didn't close on our home till Nov 1st 2012. I do own an Allis Chalmers B that was lovingly restored and a MF35, Stored up North with my parents where I sold my home before I moved to Syracuse. But they are more toys then anything. Dad did plow a bit of a garden at one time with the B.

At the new home, there is 2 acres of land to be cleared, lawn to create, gardens to till, a duck pond that is in great need of attention. Trees to plant, stumps to remove, driveways to install, foundations and utility trenches to dig, lawns to mow and snow to blow. There are 3 full acres of projects in my future. I plan on spending a whole lot of seat time with the Massey, when I can get my wife off the seat.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #162  
I don't actually own the GC1710 yet, Won't be picking it up till mid April. There is a story here, but I typed it out a couple times already. Short story, Didn't close on our home till Nov 1st 2012. I do own an Allis Chalmers B that was lovingly restored and a MF35, Stored up North with my parents where I sold my home before I moved to Syracuse. But they are more toys then anything. Dad did plow a bit of a garden at one time with the B.

At the new home, there is 2 acres of land to be cleared, lawn to create, gardens to till, a duck pond that is in great need of attention. Trees to plant, stumps to remove, driveways to install, foundations and utility trenches to dig, lawns to mow and snow to blow. There are 3 full acres of projects in my future. I plan on spending a whole lot of seat time with the Massey, when I can get my wife off the seat.
Thanks for the info, in any event you will be glad you have a 4x4 SCUT/CUT or what ever you want to call it. Maybe when you get some real seat time with the Massey you will have some interesting comments to make. We all look forward to those. I have sat on a Massey and I like it, the big thing between brands seems to be the ergonomics in the long run. That seems to be an overwhelming factor for purchasing..........nuf said
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #165  
So why did Kubota take down their video?
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #166  
Because the finally realized that it was a very bad Idea.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #167  
Why was it a bad idea? They have other comparison videos out there.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #168  
Why was it a bad idea? They have other comparison videos out there.
It was a bad Idea because they were perpetuating a bad comparison between a SCUT, the Kubota, and a CUT, the Mahindra. The Majority of people find that comparison in bad taste. Kubota was simply trying to answer the challenge Mahindra put forth, but it restoked the controversy. It certainly ignited a fire storm in this thread, and sparked off a very distasteful response from Mahindra Don. I don't think Kubota wants that kind of exposure. But, that's just my take on it.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #169  
I think its a stretch to say Kubota took down their video b/c they had an issue with the SCUT vs CUT. I've always thought this was a flawed argument. Just look at any class of car, for example compacts. The Honda Civic has been around for 20 years and every new model has gotten bigger and bigger. Is the new Civic now an intermediate car? By your logic it would be. Some one always has to be the first to get a little bigger then inevitably the rest follow. I see no reason to think the same wouldn't happen with SCUTs.

As a soon to be buyer of a tractor I couldn't care less about an arbitrary class designation. I'm looking for the most bang for my buck. If a Max 25 is the same price as a BX2670 that puts them in the same class.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #170  
I think its a stretch to say Kubota took down their video b/c they had an issue with the SCUT vs CUT. I've always thought this was a flawed argument. Just look at any class of car, for example compacts. The Honda Civic has been around for 20 years and every new model has gotten bigger and bigger. Is the new Civic now an intermediate car? By your logic it would be. Some one always has to be the first to get a little bigger then inevitably the rest follow. I see no reason to think the same wouldn't happen with SCUTs.

As a soon to be buyer of a tractor I couldn't care less about an arbitrary class designation. I'm looking for the most bang for my buck. If a Max 25 is the same price as a BX2670 that puts them in the same class.

You should buy what you think will work for you. But not every one shares your opinion as far as class distinction. This is all sort of old hat now and boring. But I would be interested in knowing why YOU think Kubota took down the video, if not for the reasons I suggested.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #171  
Actually I'd rather hear why/if my logic is flawed on the class issue b/c I've read several multipage threads on the topic and no one has made this specific argument. But the most ardent Mahindra bashers use this SCUT/CUT issue as the basis of their false advertising claims. I'm just trying to say that it's a moot point. And clearly if Kubota corporate made a comparison video between a Max and a BX then they think the two are basically in the same class and that's what matters. Which brings me back to my original question...why did they remove it?. Since I didn't get a chance to see it I choose not to speculate and instead would like to hear the opinions of folks who did.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #174  
Just a quick question......Does anyone know if Kubota actually watches our threads? what about other tractor manufacturers as well? The reason I ask is because the dealers around here (Kubota dealers) didn't have any idea what TBN was. I don't know why they would lie about not knowing TBN existed, but all of them so far claim they don't keep up with any forums, which made me wonder: Who (if anyone) watches us on here? If I were Kubota or any other tractor manufacturer....I'd be glued to us! :D I know I'm off subject here, but I wanted to know if anyone has an answer to this.:smurf:
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #175  
Just a quick question......Does anyone know if Kubota actually watches our threads? what about other tractor manufacturers as well? The reason I ask is because the dealers around here (Kubota dealers) didn't have any idea what TBN was. I don't know why they would lie about not knowing TBN existed, but all of them so far claim they don't keep up with any forums, which made me wonder: Who (if anyone) watches us on here? If I were Kubota or any other tractor manufacturer....I'd be glued to us! :D I know I'm off subject here, but I wanted to know if anyone has an answer to this.:smurf:

I'd think all manufactures would want the marketing depts. to at least be aware of internet sites like TBN, but I doubt they care. I know my Kioti dealer doesn't pay any attention at all, I have a hard time getting him to check emails I send! When I was fighting with Kioti over issues I was having, I made them aware of the discussion going on about it (with a link). Nothing was ever said about it, but I got emails from sever other people at Kioti right away. Everything was resolved to my complete satisfaction, but I can't say if TBN had any role in that.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #177  
Actually I'd rather hear why/if my logic is flawed on the class issue b/c I've read several multipage threads on the topic and no one has made this specific argument.

Sigh.

Ok, by "Specific Argument" I have to assume you mean that:

You personally have not seen the argument made stating that the Max Series, specifically the 22-25, does not compare to the traditional SCUT's, like the BX, GC, Series One and so on, based on it's size and weight and the fact that other brands have "CUT's" that compare much more closely,,, Yada Yada Yada.

If ^ is what you mean, then you are reading threads that I have not seen. ^ has been pretty much talked to death. Ironically, here we are still talking about it. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't agree with the argument. But that is the argument none the less.

But the most ardent Mahindra bashers use this SCUT/CUT issue as the basis of their false advertising claims.

Allow me to put your first and second thought closer together.

"I'd rather hear why/if my logic is flawed on the (CLASS) issue b/c I've read several multipage threads on the topic and (NO ONE HAS MADE THIS ARGUMENT)".

"But the most ardent Mahindra bashers (USE THIS SCUT/CUT ISSUE AS THE BASIS) of their false advertising claims.

?????????

And clearly if Kubota corporate made a comparison video between a Max and a BX then they think the two are basically in the same class and that's what matters.

If ^ was factual, you would have a point. But Since YOU DIDN'T see the video, you would not know that your assumption is incorrect.

Let's just try this. Let's take what we do ACTUALLY know, and then use that to SPECULATE as to why Kubota pulled their Vid.

Kubota in FACT, was answering Mahindras Original Marketing Claims.
Kubota in the video, specifically called the MAX out as NOT being a SCUT. Therefore, they do not feel the two are in the same class.
In response to the Kubota Vid, Mahindra Don posted what many consider to be a very distasteful 15 Min video reply.
This thread is full of Fiery Rhetoric.
There ARE several threads debating, often not nicely, the class connection between the two tractors.
And, with out official reason, Kubota removed their vid.

Now, unless Kubota makes some kind of official statement, we will never REALLY know why they took the vid down. So, the only thing left for those who are curious, is to speculate.

Given what we do know, it is REASONABLE to assume that the negativity surrounding this comparison is not the kind of attention that Kubota wants. They may have took their vid down prior to Mahindra Don's vid. I will have to take everyone's word on that because I don't know for certain when they took it down. But before, or after, it is also reasonable to assume that they saw something like this coming. It is also reasonable to assume that given the controversy over Mahindras original marketing strategy, they decided perpetuating that with a vid of their own was less then a good Idea.

See how I structure my assumptions? They are not "Baseless". There is supporting evidence. That in no way means that I am correct. But it holds more water then arguments that are simply made "off the cuff".

So, getting back to your post:
1) Yes, your logic is flawed on the class issue.
2) No, Kubota does not think the BX and the MAX are in the same Class.
3) Your "Original question" I answered in my first response. And I have laid out MY reasoning for my thoughts on the matter here. (Please note I was very clear in saying that was my "Take" on the matter".
4) you may choose not to speculate, but speculation is ALL there is.

Now that we have taken care of your issues. Let's get back to the question I asked.

Why do YOU think Kubota took the video down?
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #178  
I'd think all manufactures would want the marketing depts. to at least be aware of internet sites like TBN, but I doubt they care. I know my Kioti dealer doesn't pay any attention at all, I have a hard time getting him to check emails I send! When I was fighting with Kioti over issues I was having, I made them aware of the discussion going on about it (with a link). Nothing was ever said about it, but I got emails from sever other people at Kioti right away. Everything was resolved to my complete satisfaction, but I can't say if TBN had any role in that.

I agree with the core of this. Many companies at the Corporate level have as part of their IT team, a department dedicated to keeping their finger on the pulse of social media. Kubota is certainly a candidate for such surveillance given their marketing strategy. That being that they build a product tailored to the American market. It is likely that they are aware of the controversies going on, even if they don't post out in public.

Individual Dealers by in large don't have the time or the inclination to invest resources in public media spaces. Daves Tractor and Mahindra Don being two notable acceptions.

I think it is a safe bet that Kubota knows exactly what is going on out in consumer land.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #179  
Wow Singalo, this seems REALLY important to you. I have to ask why you care so much given you have no dog in the fight? It was an interesting discussion for a while, but like all thread, there comes a point to stop kicking the poor horse.

OK, I was done with the thread, but now that I'm commenting yet again, I'll respond to one of your earlier posts about your projects. That seems like a very ambitious project list for a small tractor. I wouldn't have said anything, but since you're not taking delivery until April, are you sure you have the right machine for your needs. Personally, I'd think hard about a more powerful, heavier machine. I bought 3 tractors in 2 years getting the right one for my needs and I can tell you it's easier to swallow hard and get the right one first.
 
/ Kubota VS Mahindra Max #180  
I agree with the core of this. Many companies at the Corporate level have as part of their IT team, a department dedicated to keeping their finger on the pulse of social media. Kubota is certainly a candidate for such surveillance given their marketing strategy. That being that they build a product tailored to the American market. It is likely that they are aware of the controversies going on, even if they don't post out in public.

Individual Dealers by in large don't have the time or the inclination to invest resources in public media spaces. Daves Tractor and Mahindra Don being two notable acceptions.

I think it is a safe bet that Kubota knows exactly what is going on out in consumer land.

Singalo, you need to slow down and breath! There are MANY individual dealers and given some time on TBN, you'll get to know some of them. Kubota also doesn't tailor their product to the American market, their product is the result of a domestic need and is now sold around the world.
 

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