Can you help me with expensive decision??

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jcmseven

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As some of you know, I have a 2009 GMC 2500 truck with the Duramax diesel engine. I bought the truck new in May, 2009 and have since put a bit over 50K miles on it. It has been trouble free and done everything I have needed. Like many of us, my situation is one of nearly constantly evolving needs. When I first bought the truck, I towed a heavy 4520 JD tractor back and forth on mountainous roads to my parents' place 2 1/2 hours one way about four times monthly and towed generally about five to seven times more monthly and some distance each time. Now, with my parents selling off some of the property associated with their place due to aging, I sold my big tractor and use just a 2000 series JD and a couple of Gators, none of which weigh that much. That said, I use my truck as my daily driver--and I drive a lot. My wife drives an Acura MDX that we bought new in 2005. She drives a lot, too and has 145,000 mile on her car. We have had it regularly serviced; replaced the timing belt at 100K with spark plugs and redid brakes and tires recently. It literally runs the same as it did new, burns no oil and gets really good mileage for what it is. It is also our grunt car; we have 5 year old twins that are neat--but they are 5. We keep the Acura mainly for local driving, though it is certainly reliable enough for us to take on trips, which we do often (this weekend, in fact). I am very particular with my truck and both interior and exterior I try to keep spotless, a challenge due to it being black in color on the exterior.

About six months ago, I informally spoke with my selling GMC dealer about the new Denali 2500 pickup coming out. I had heard they were coming and wanted a chance to look at one when one came in, which it did last week. The dealer called me and I had a chance to drive a beautiful 2500 Denali Crew Cab diesel, fully decked out and unfortunately with a $64,000 sticker. It was white (not a color I generally like in trucks but this one looked great). I would have to say it drove great (I kept it overnight and put about 150 miles on it) but honestly without towing and on my usual drive it did not drive any smoother than my current GMC, but looked more flashy. I did not tow with it, obviously. I asked the dealer to work up a price for me. It is a very good price in my opinion for the truck and they offered me a more than fair price for mine if I wanted to trade. Thus, I am in the dilemma of whether this makes any sense or not. My wife and I both work and our jobs are high stress and in my case poor hours too. I have gone through the "you work hard, you deserve it" spiel to myself, but we all know this is really not true in real life. We have had the good fortune in this economy to have kept our jobs and done about the same financially as last year, but I feel a little uneasy about spending on a larger scale just yet. Can we afford such a purchase? Sure, but like everyone else I also have other obligations such as continuing to fund our retirement and the kids college fund, etc, that I could and probably should continue to fund (we already do this anyway) even more vigorously. On the one hand, that seems logical to me to be concerned about these things, yet on the other hand, we always have something I could prioritize higher upon which to spend or invest, so I keep coming back to that.

My question: the 2011 GMC has an upgraded frame, brakes, front axle, larger fuel tank, upgraded engine power, supposedly 1-2 mpg better highway economy, engine exhaust brake now, and in the Denali case a few additional bells and whistles--and a rewound 3/36000 warranty. This could be had for essentially $17,500 price difference in trade. Is it worth it given the situation noted above? Am I making a mistake looking at a truck when I have one with low miles for a diesel that has given no trouble. Should I just forget this, and run our vehicles into the ground and look for different ones then?? I am not looking to justify buying something I do not necessarily need, I am looking for input from folks who buy and use trucks as do I to make sure I am not blinded by the new truck envy and make a bad decision. On a side note, I have even considered going with a less expensive gas truck now due to my reduced towing need, but I really think I would have a hard time going away from a diesel at this point regardless so that though has not made in far in my little brain.

Thanks for the input, John M
 
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It's your money. Do what YOU want to do.

I have a 2005 F250 Powerstoke pickup. I just turned 180K miles. I plan on running this truck into the ground. It owes me nothing and is extremely reliable. I alos don't tow as much as I used to, but 4 wheel drive is a requirement where I live in Vermont (private road). In 2008, I installed a Vegistroke kit, and now can run waste veggie oil or diesel fuel. Great money saving system!

I also have a 2005 Ford Focus for commuting to and from work when the weather cooperates. This car has over 70K trouble free miles on it. The Focus is also so much easier to park then the truck! And the Focus gets better than 30mpg, compared to the truck at 17mpg!

Maybe you should keep the truck and get a "commuter car". Mustang, Camaro, or something along those lines?

I have already started to look for another vehicle to add to the "fleet". I'm looking for a 2008 or newer Ford Expedition to use for towing lighter loads. (My biggest fear is that I will have a catastrophic failure of some sort while traveling cross country this coming summer with the F250.) A newer Expedition will alleviate those fears. And with the SUV body style, it's easier to transport the pups.

If I were you, I would look at a 2011 F250 - but then again I'm a Ford fan. And you probably won't get as much money in trade at the Blue Oval dealer.

Again, it's your money and only you know your true financial situation.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Marc
 
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I'm sort of in the same situation but different:laughing:, I'm sick of driving a truck! I wanted to drive one "do it all vehicle" so I have been driving a Ford F150 Crew for a few years. Other then daily business use I use my truck to pull my MasterCraft boat once in the spring and fall and twice a year ferry the 2520 tractor between my Company shop to the cottage and back. A truck is easy to throw a bike in the back and head to the local Mountain Bike trail ( I hate having to tie it down on a rack) but it is a pain parking.

I want to downsize to the Ford Explorer or Flex, I can pull the boat when I need to and throw the bike in the back if I drop the rear seats. When I need to move the tractor I can use the Company pick up.
 
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I am not looking to justify buying something I do not necessarily need, I am looking for input from folks who buy and use trucks as do I to make sure I am not blinded by the new truck envy and make a bad decision.

John,

I don't fall into the referenced category, but I do have a few thoughts on the "economics" of your quandary.

There is a substantial operations research/management science literature on "optimal" machine/equipment replacement policies. The general focus there is on minimizing the cost of obtaining machine/equipment services over time. The models used in that literature vary in their assumptions and often require sophisticated math for their solution. Here's an example.

http://css.snre.umich.edu/css_doc/CSS04-01.pdf

I speculate that if your only objective is to minimize ownership/operating costs, it wouldn't pay to trade. But many (most?) folks, myself included, trade vehicles more frequently than would be suggested by the models and thus incur higher costs. That's not to suggest that they (or I) are acting irrationally, they (and I) obtain satisfaction from owning and driving a new/newer vehicle. Each of us has different preferences, so only you can decide what is "best" for you.

Your post mentioned that you are funding your retirement plans and your kids' college funds. Again, each of us has his/her own preferences, but fully funding those items and a rainy day account would have a higher priority in my preference ordering. But that's just me.

Steve
 
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I have the same issue, drive a truck as a daily driver, need it to pull boat and is very handy to have when you need one. With the price of fuel going as it is, and you know it will only go one way UP. I am inclined to get a very small car and keep the truck for when I need it. In your case I think you have all the truck you need that will last for a long time especally if you get a gas sipping commuter car, bet one can be had used for less the 17K so you can put the difference in the rainy day fund. You will have the best of both worlds. I can understand the call of the new car sirens but they only cost you big $$ in the long run.
Good luck w/ your decision
 
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My two cents: You are getting caught up in the consumption trap / keeping up with the Jones syndrome. Take a cool look at where your money is going and whether you are on track with your emergency fund and retirement funding.

You will need $25 saved for every dollar you take out yearly of your savings once you retire. So, even a million dollars only provides $40,000 a year income. That includes everything - taxes, health care, you name it.

I know that with a high stress job it is easy to think that a new truck salves away some of the stress, but there is an older you in the future that is depending on you now to look out for him by setting aside adequate savings, so a job loss or forced early retirement isn't a disaster.

Been there, done that. :2cents:
 
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I will tell you there is no better feeling than paying off a nearly new vehicle.

As you all know I have 3 trucks. 04 & a 06 Ford diesels and a 08 Titan. I just payed off the Titan. Took me 23 months and 33,000 miles. Bought it in 09 as a dealer leftover.

I was like you 10 years ago and always wanted new and just accepted payments. Now I pay myself those payments in savings, in the case of the Titan its $700 per month now or $8400 a year.

Keep your truck. It does three times what you need. Pay it off quick by doubling payments, tax returns, bonus monies, ect.

Chris.
 
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I will tell you there is no better feeling than paying off a neatly new vehicle.

Chris,

An even better feeling is paying cash. I'm getting old, but I seem to recollect even better feelings. They didn't involve trucks.;)

Steve
 
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The decision problem??:)

From someone who drives most vehicles till the cost of repairs for reliability become exorbitant all I can say is keep the present truck. Save some money, put it in an account for future vehicles or whatever?:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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Regardless, I would plan to pay cash, even for the new one. The opinions I hear here are similar to my own. I drove the truck for a day and liked it, but the entire time I drove I was mentally calculating how many funds intended for something else I would have to give up. In my mind I just have felt as much as I would want something like this, it is not worth it in the long run. I maintain my vehicles well and under these circumstances they last a long time. My truck is in showroom condition and to me it does not seem these upgrades noted are worth the difference in cost. Interestingly and for those contemplating such a buy, I did notice some difference in ride quality between the two, but did not notice any real difference in perceived power, though on paper there is supposed to be some. What I am hearing here echoes what that little voice in my head is saying: it is not worth the money.

Thanks, John
 
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The decision problem??:)

From someone who drives most vehicles till the cost of repairs for reliability become exorbitant all I can say is keep the present truck. Save some money, put it in an account for future vehicles or whatever?:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I have to agree with Egon.

DW and I buy new and keep our vehicles until the wheels fall off.

Sure, everybody likes new cars and trucks, but we like to have money in the bank even more.
 
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Steve, though not done with it yet, your article is quite interesting to me and parallels some of my questions also.

John
 
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I didn't read one single thing in your post that said you NEED a new vehicle. I don't know your financial situation, but it looks like you have a fairly low mileage (considering it's a diesel) new model truck that looks good, is comfortable to drive, has plenty of room and will always be able to work hard for you. Just because you don't need to tow a big tractor right now doesn't mean that you will never need that towing power.

I'm sure the Denali is SUPER nice, but I think you may be happier in the long run by keeping what you have and putting that excess money into those college savings funds. Also, it sounds like your wife will need a new vehicle long before that diesel needs to be replaced :thumbsup:
 
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I'm an investment advisor and financial planner and I can tell you unequivocally there is no economic justification for trading in your truck. Trucks are depreciating assets. The best thing to do is buy one a year or two old and drive it into the ground. That said I haven't had a car for more than two years for the last twenty years!

Vehicles are emotional decisions and we buy what we like. Otherwise we'd all be driving twenty year half tons or Toyota's.

For what it is worth we are selling all of our toys, including my Porsche and hunkering down. All of my research and analysis points to a coming storm that no one under eighty has ever experienced. I've published quite a bit on this if your interested.

Advice is worth what you pay for it, so take this for what it's worth. Life is short so enjoy it, but make sure you can enjoy life tomorrow to, considering odds favoring you being around to deal with today's decisions tomorrow.

By the by, I like the Denali HD a lot myself.
 
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Forgot to mention, next years truck will be even more desirable and of course next year never arrives.:thumbsup:

It's just gotta be something in the smell of the new vehicles that grabs one's attention??:thumbsup:
 
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Chris,

An even better feeling is paying cash. I'm getting old, but I seem to recollect even better feelings. They didn't involve trucks.;)

Steve

I have never been in a position to pay cash for a new truck but have many times on used stuff. I did buy my tractor, FEL, and 60" KK mower new cash in 2003. Took some saving.

Saying all that, paying cash is not always the best option today with the great financing rates. I have gotten 0% and 1.9% on my vehicles for years and would still finance up to about 5%. Reason being is I have been averaging about 7-12% on my investments. I would rather put my money in them and pay a little interest. In the case of my Titan I payed about $900 in finance charges.

Chris
 
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Chris,

An even better feeling is paying cash. I'm getting old, but I seem to recollect even better feelings. They didn't involve trucks.;)

Steve

Those feelings can happen in a truck.:laughing::laughing::laughing: Its amazing how you can contort when the time comes.:thumbsup:

Chris
 
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Forgot to mention, next years truck will be even more desirable and of course next year never arrives.:thumbsup:

Thats what always used to get me. I now just buy the best I can at the time and live with my decision. In a few years I will be back in buying mode because my fleet will be approaching 10 years old and reliability is a priority to me.

Chris
 
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Saying all that, paying cash is not always the best option today with the great financing rates.

I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I try to evaluate each option on its own merits. Depending on financing incentives, rebates, investment alternatives, preferences, etc., paying cash may not be the best option.

Those feelings can happen in a truck.:laughing::laughing::laughing: Its amazing how you can contort when the time comes.:thumbsup:

Chris

Never tried it (that I can remember), but I will take your word for it.:)

Steve
 
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Gents,
I am on the Mr. Sulla page and that save your money fellow from ING.
Love trucks and better yet diesel engines, and as for running things into the ground, I bet you that none of the folks on this thread have ever run anything into the ground, no matter how old their equipment is we are all nuts & bolt people and have too much pride & respect for what we own and run.
Here is my two cents worth: Emissions alone should be good enough of a deterrent to scare anyone away from owning a machine (2010 and above), consider SCR systems and diesel exhaust fluids and what maintenance and future repair cost might entail when that stuff start failing
Keep your truck 10 years, take pride in keeping it looking like new and then revaluate and maybe go another 5
Dan
 

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