Looking at a used 2007 CK20- good deal?

[RPMWFO]

Hello everyone. New here on the site. I have a 1.5 acre lot. The actual lawn is pretty small and I push mow it in about 15-20 minutes. The remainder of the lot is typical southern Colorado landscaping(weeds, brush, etc.) probably about an acre of weeds, praire, etc. There is one part of the lot that has a some slope to it.

I was weed whacking the worst of it(3 hours plus per week) for while with a big Stihl trimmer, but that has gotten old over the last year.

So I started looking into riding mowers but was apalled at what is for sale these days(everything looks light duty and disposable after a year or two. Plus they seem to have limited utility for other uses around the house. This lead me to start looking into CUT and SCUT options after stumbling across this site.

Basically I am looking for a CUT or SCUT to brush hog or rough cut mow the rest of my lot. I also would like to use the tractor for landscaping work(have a huge amount-probably 50 tons+ of rock to move around), ground prep for another shop addition and possibly some trenching. Just getting tired of doing the work manually.

Based on that, I went tractor shopping today. There is a TYM and a Kioti dealer about 20 miles from the house. Stopped at the TYM dealer first. They had the 233 and 293 with FEL. With a rear mower, $13K and $15K respectively. Hydrostatic drive. Drove nice. Looked nice. FEL loaded on the 293 looked beefy.

Stopped at the Kioti dealer. Dealer said he had a used 2007 CK20, manual transmission, 230 hours, FEL, Backhoe, industrial tires(filled) coming in next week on trade. 1 year left on the drivetrain warranty. I might be able to extend coverage with him covering warranty service for another year. He originally sold the tractor and knows the owner and history. Said it looks like new. Always kept inside. Would sell the tractor, include a rear brushcutter, and a rear blade for $14,500. Based on discussions with him, he thinks the CK20 will out work the TYM for any dirtwork.

Is this a good deal? How does the Kioti compare to the TYM? Any thoughts?

I liked the smaller CK20 size for use around the house. Prefered the hydro drive on the TYM. Don't know that it would make that big of a deal for what I am doing around here. I've driven standards in various types of vehicles over the years and don't mind them. I don't have a lot of obstacles to deal with when mowing the praire.

I can think of several things I would use the backhoe for but I don't think I want to swing the extra cash on a new TYM with one(approx. $20+K).

Thought about Kubota and Deere, but don't care for the Deere dealer in town, and the Kubota dealer is about 60mi. away. Figured I could try stay relatively local for service or parts.

Sorry for the long winded post, just didn't want to head in the wrong direction with this kind of purchase.

 

[Gil Case]

I have a CK 20 on 2 acres and it is a great machine however, it is heavy (with the backhoe on) and has limited usefulness when the ground is wet- not often a problem in CO I assume. I do not use it to mow since it does not have the maneuverability for mowing around trees etc.
However, moving "stuff" mulch, rocks, topsoil, brush etc. etc. has become a pleasure rather than a PIA. I do not regret getting the CK20, I wish I could use it more often.
Sound like you have the projects to justify getting CK20, sorry that I do not know much about the TYM's

 

[Dmace]

For $14,500 with those attachments and low hours, I think that is a good deal on the CK20. Not a GREAT deal but not unreasonably high either and it sounds like a good dealer. If it was HST that would be a better deal. Maybe offer $14k flat since it's gear and not HST since loader work is more of a pain constantly going back and forth with a manual transmission unless it's shuttle shift.

I've had my CK20HST with loader, backhoe, 3pt snow blower, and box blade for 4 years now with over 400 hours on it and it has never let me down. I smile every time I get on it and complete another project. It's really a great tractor! :thumbsup:

 

[RPMWFO]

I'll offer $13.5K and see if he goes for it. Are the hours high or average? Anything I should look for on a 2007?

I may have him quote a new one setup the same way. What would be a good price on a new CK20 with the same options? At least I would get a warranty.

A few responses in the general forum for pricing and comparisons thought the used price was too high. From what I have found while shopping around here, the price doesn't seem too bad. Not as many CUT users in Colorado along the front range.

I'm not too concerned about weight. I would rather have a heavier small tractor for any dirt work than a lighter one. We don't get much rain and all of the ground around here is clay and shale. I've driven my 3/4 ton Dodge all over the property dry and wet with no problems and it weighs 8000lbs unloaded. With the last load of sand in the back it weighed 11,500 with no problems in the same places I would be mowing and working.

 

[Dmace]

The hours are low, maybe average for a typical homeowner for the year, like I said my tractor is a 2006 model purchased Oct 2005 and I use it only a few times a month on the weekends and have 400 hours on mine.

That package new is probably around $22k but I haven't priced one in years. The only other thing to look for is the loader, if it's the older style (KL120) with a boxed in connector between the lift arms and an access plate for the hydraulic lines then have them remove the plate and look for cracks at the bolt holes. There is a bracket that wraps around the cross tube and stops the cosmetic cracks from spreading. The newer updated loader (KL120B) has a round tube that goes through the arms so you can see right through it.

Older style picture

Newer style picture - (notice the round tube connecting the loader arms)

 

[bp fick]

I'm sticking with the others who say it's high priced, especially for a manual shift.

2003 KIOTI CK20HST Less than 40 HP For Sale At TractorHouse.com

By way of comparison. That dealer is reputable, BTW. We have read of BobCat buyers getting the tractor new for similar pricing. Just saying.

New buyers get perks too. Warranty for one. Sometimes freebies like loader, and often get zero percent financing. I know you can get a Kubota 2320 for $14900 and zero financing. A BobCat should be less.

 

[Dmace]

I'm sticking with the others who say it's high priced, especially for a manual shift.

2003 KIOTI CK20HST Less than 40 HP For Sale At TractorHouse.com

By way of comparison. That dealer is reputable, BTW. We have read of BobCat buyers getting the tractor new for similar pricing. Just saying.

New buyers get perks too. Warranty for one. Sometimes freebies like loader, and often get zero percent financing. I know you can get a Kubota 2320 for $14900 and zero financing. A BobCat should be less.

Did you see the attachments that come with the tractor he's looking at? You show a 2003 CK20 with 330 hours and ONLY a loader for $9k. Ok, so add the BACKHOE, BRUSH CUTTER, REAR BLADE and the fact that it still has some warranty left would put it well over the asking price of $14,500. The backhoe alone is over $6k new and probably $4500 used.

Yeah a new Kioti/Bobcat tractor with ONLY A LOADER would be around $14k-$15k but for the same price he is basically getting a FREE BACKHOE, BRUSH CUTTER, REAR BLADE, LOADED TIRES, etc...

Plus that Kubota 2320 is a smaller tractor with MUCH weaker attachments, less warranty and again that does NOT include anything more than a loader (if that...)

 

[bp fick]

Did you see the attachments that come with the tractor he's looking at? You show a 2003 CK20 with 330 hours and ONLY a loader for $9k. Ok, so add the BACKHOE, BRUSH CUTTER, REAR BLADE and the fact that it still has some warranty left would put it well over the asking price of $14,500. The backhoe alone is over $6k new and probably $4500 used.

No, read the OP carefully, although it is somewhat unclear. You will find, I believe, he stated his quote price did NOT include the backhoe, only a backblade and brush cutter. Those two items, frankly, are only worth a grand. Still puts the tractor at $13,500.

I still stand by my standing with the others who say it's high. Unless the backhoe is included, in which case, OK, it is fine enough deal.

 

[Dmace]

No, read the OP carefully, although it is somewhat unclear. You will find, I believe, he stated his quote price did NOT include the backhoe, only a backblade and brush cutter. Those two items, frankly, are only worth a grand. Still puts the tractor at $13,500.
I still stand by my standing with the others who say it's high. Unless the backhoe is included, in which case, OK, it is fine enough deal.

I have read it a few times and it NEVER says the backhoe is not included. He said he doesn't want to swing the extra money on a backhoe for the new TYM tractor but the Kioti has a backhoe and the dealer will also INCLUDE a rear brushcutter and a rear blade.

Stopped at the Kioti dealer. Dealer said he had a used 2007 CK20, manual transmission, 230 hours, FEL, Backhoe, industrial tires(filled) coming in next week on trade. Would sell the tractor, include a rear brushcutter, and a rear blade for $14,500.

I can think of several things I would use the backhoe for but I don't think I want to swing the extra cash on a new TYM with one(approx. $20+K).

 

[bp fick]

Perhaps RPMWFO will clarify? You may be quite right, Dmace, just saying how many read it. Such things are often the case. You read it as including the backhoe, while others, in seeing it not specifically mentioned again, read it as tractor, as in tractor only, plus the two mentioned implements. Shrug. No big deal.

 

[Dmace]

Perhaps RPMWFO will clarify? You may be quite right, Dmace, just saying how many read it. Such things are often the case. You read it as including the backhoe, while others, in seeing it not specifically mentioned again, read it as tractor, as in tractor only, plus the two mentioned implements. Shrug. No big deal.

He also doesn't "specifically mention" the front end loader or tires. Maybe it doesn't come with those either...

 

[Gittyup]

I read it the same as BP. If it doesn't include the backhoe then it's way too much. If it does, then it's a good deal. The way it was worded obviously wasn't clear. But, there's no need to be a wiseguy about it.

And if the OP doesn't want the backhoe, and it is indeed included, the TYM or a new tractor would be a better option than buying an expensive attachment he doesn't need or want.

 

[gilbertmsg]

Ok, I know everyone reads things differently, the way I read the first post is it comes with the backhoe. If it does, then 14,500 is a good deal.

Eddie

 

[RPMWFO]

Sorry about the slow response.

The 2007 CK20 deal includes the following:
CK20 Gear Tractor with 230 hrs. with 1 year remaining on drivertrain warranty
Backhoe
FEL
Loaded industrial tires
Brushcutter-new
rear blade-new

Dealer wants $14,500.

Heading over tomorrow to look at the tractor and try to negotiate a better deal. I'll look for cracking on the loader.

 

[Gittyup]

So, you get a backhoe on the CK20 while giving up HST, more HP, a QC loader, and a 5 year warranty that come on the TYM. Tough call. As long as you have uses for the backhoe, that might be the better deal. Backhoes sure are handy. Either would suit you fine.

I just don't like that dealer said the Kioti would outwork the TYM. I guess it's to be expected that he would tout the one he sells. But, it's downright missleading. I see no basis in the specs that would support such a claim. Actually quite the contrary: more hp and HST would make the TYM to be a slightly more efficient workhorse. The QC loader could also be a plus if you had a need to change out to forks, grapple, or other front mount implement.

If the loader is cracked on the CK20...... well the OP will just have to decide if that's acceptable or not.

 

[Dargo]

I'll offer $13.5K and see if he goes for it. Are the hours high or average? Anything I should look for on a 2007?

I may have him quote a new one setup the same way. What would be a good price on a new CK20 with the same options? At least I would get a warranty.

A few responses in the general forum for pricing and comparisons thought the used price was too high. From what I have found while shopping around here, the price doesn't seem too bad. Not as many CUT users in Colorado along the front range.

I'm not too concerned about weight. I would rather have a heavier small tractor for any dirt work than a lighter one. We don't get much rain and all of the ground around here is clay and shale. I've driven my 3/4 ton Dodge all over the property dry and wet with no problems and it weighs 8000lbs unloaded. With the last load of sand in the back it weighed 11,500 with no problems in the same places I would be mowing and working.

Sounds waaaay high to me. I'm not allowed to post links here, but you can find a lot of little Kioti tractors with a lot less hours and more power for thousands less. I wouldn't consider anything over 12k for that Kioti. With your projects in mind, keep in mind that you're looking at a tractor that has less power than the average lawn mower anymore. People like to brag that they are heavy too. Low power and more weight isn't appealing to me. I see an ad for a DK35 with 95 hours and FEL for a lower price than your dealer is asking. That's why I think he's sky high; to the point I wouldn't even bother going back to someone trying to rip my head off that bad.

 

[TBDonnelly]

With your projects in mind, keep in mind that you're looking at a tractor that has less power than the average lawn mower anymore.

The average lawnmower is gasoline powered while the CK20 is diesel powered. Big difference.....

Don

 

[IslandTractor]

Sounds waaaay high to me..

Might not be waaaay high. I got $12K as a trade in from my dealer for a four year old CK20 TLB with 200hrs when I upgraded to the DK40se. That was a few years ago and there have been price increases since (also a down economy though). I already had the price on the DK before getting an over the phone quote on the trade so it wasn't part of the new tractor pricing equation.

If you consider that Kubota BX23/24 mini TLBs get sold for $12-14K with a few years and couple hundred hours on them it doesn't seem that far off either. The Kubota's definitely have remarkable resale, especially the BX23/24 range but considering the added capabilities of a CK TLB the price doesn't look waaaay high. Maybe a biiiiit high though. I'd offer $12.5 and try to settle for $13 plus change assuming the dealer needs to make some profit.

 

[rimshot]

keep in mind that you're looking at a tractor that has less power than the average lawn mower anymore. People like to brag that they are heavy too

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I think somebody is having a bad hair day.

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[Dmace]

With your projects in mind, keep in mind that you're looking at a tractor that has less power than the average lawn mower anymore.

You sound like those people that think they could put a 24hp B&S gas motor in a modern CUT and it would perform the same as a 24hp diesel motor. :mur:

I stand by my statement that this is a good deal, not a great deal but still a good deal.