Blame game

[dave1949]

I'm not advocating anything. Just an observation over the years. The energy industry is one that passes on all increased cost to the consumer in the interest of paying big dividends to stockholders/ and salaries to executives. I do my part to conserve and use less. BUT! When consumers use less= 1)less taxes collected so government then raises taxes to compensate. A few years back Denver residents were asked to conserve water. They did, so well in fact that revenue from water sales was so low that they implemented a rate hike to compensate. Water is the oil of the future. We can live without oil, try living without water. I'm just a person fed up with getting fleeced at every opportunity. For the record, I think we need a whole lot LESS of government.

I think we are all tired of getting fleeced. Paying for BP mistakes is another form of getting fleeced when the cost could have been avoided. Is that what you mean?

Water is an issue. I have often wondered why there are no desalination plants in places like CA where water seems to be in short supply. It must be the economics of the plants. I think recycled water may be coming into the picture. Sounds yucky, but if you consider a river that supplies a string of towns along it's course - fairly common in the East, the further downstream a town is, the more recycled water they are using.
Dave.

 

[tulenutn2o]

I think we are all tired of getting fleeced. Paying for BP mistakes is another form of getting fleeced when the cost could have been avoided. Is that what you mean?

Water is an issue. I have often wondered why there are no desalination plants in places like CA where water seems to be in short supply. It must be the economics of the plants. I think recycled water may be coming into the picture. Sounds yucky, but if you consider a river that supplies a string of towns along it's course - fairly common in the East, the further downstream a town is, the more recycled water they are using.
Dave.

Yes, that is what I mean. Isn't all water "recycled" in one way or another? Sorry, just being a smart @rss.

 

[dave1949]

Yes, that is what I mean. Isn't all water "recycled" in one way or another? Sorry, just being a smart @rss.

Yes, all water is recycled, but as a guy I used to work with and lived down river from liked to remind us - he took a leak that morning and hopes we enjoy tomorrow It's something to do with the time and distance between users I guess.

Have to go do some bush hogging.
Dave.

 

[MossRoad]

It also has to do with fresh water VS salt water. Once you use fresh water in most populated areas of this country, it ends up going through sewage treatment plants, then into rivers, then into oceans, where it turns to salt water. The fresh water aquifers get replenished through precipitation in the form of rain and snow melt. Rain runs off quickly back into rivers. It takes snow melt to let it slowly trickle into the soil and down into the aquifers. Some places are taking water out faster than it can be put back. That's the cycle.

 

[dmccarty]

The city I used to live started to "recycle" partially treated water. They used it for watering landscaping and new subdivisions could be connected to use this water as well.

The plumbed a few houses incorrectly. And people drank partially treated sewage for quite some time before they figured out what was happening. :confused2:

Back in FLA the coastal counties where I lived had to stop dumping partially treated waste water in the Gulf Stream. So they drilled a deep hole and started pumping it into the ground. Supposedly below the drinking aquifer. That always bothered me. Seems like putting the stuff where you can keep and eye on its effects would be better than putting this in the ground for future generations.

Back to the city I used to live. It gets its water from a large lake. At work when I flush the toilet the treated water gets put into that lake. So I have drunk my sewage.

Maybe 10 years ago the sewage treatment plant failed and dumped millions of gallons of raw sewage in that lake. I remember the news saying that the water was safe to drink, and I think it was, as well as that it was safe to go to the lake. I was on that lake in a kayak and I saw miles of poo, foam and TP. People where swimming, boating, and water skying in that lake. No way it could have been safe.

Desalination is expensive. Tampa does it. But it cost quite a bit of money and uses alot of energy. The Gulf States can afford to do this since they have the cheap fuel. Water will have to go up in price to make desalination work. And by Gulf States I ain't talking about MS, AL, LA, GA, TX, and FLA.

Later,
Dan

 

[Bird]

Back to the city I used to live. It gets its water from a large lake. At work when I flush the toilet the treated water gets put into that lake. So I have drunk my sewage.

That's the same situation that many of us are in.:laughing:

 

[tallyho8]

I live way down the Mississippi where I am sure much of the water has been recycled many times. New Orleans and most other communities on the river use it for their drinking water. Many of the communities also pump their waste water into the mighty Mississippi.

In order to insure that communities cleansed their wastewater properly before dumping it back into the river, regulations were made that required the community's drinking water intake to be DOWNRIVER from their wastewater disposal pipes. They figured that if people knew they were drinking some of their wastewater they would insure that it was properly processed before dumping it.

The city of New Orleans had built their waterworks and water intake as far upriver as possible, right on the parish (county) line many years ago and had no room to dispose of their wastewater upriver from their intakes in Orleans Parish so they were forced to make a deal with the neighboring parish, Jefferson Parish, to pump the wastewater into the river in Jefferson Parish, but thankfully, downriver of Jefferson's water intake. The Orleans wastewater discharge is less than a quarter-mile upriver from the Orleans intake. :licking:

Luckily, Jefferson's water intake was not too far from their border with Orleans downriver, so when they had to start discharging their wastewater upstream, they went many miles upriver from their intake to Kenner close to their upstream border to build their wastewater dump.

 

[tallyho8]

And by Gulf States I ain't talking about MS, AL, LA, GA, TX, and FLA.
Later,
Dan

Georgia isn't a Gulf State, but it's close.

 

[MossRoad]

Here in South Bend, Indiana we have wonderful things called combined storm sewers. ALL sewage and rainwater gets treated at the waste water treatment plant..... until it rains real hard... when the flow of rainwater gets too much for the sewage system to handle big 100 year old valves (steel gates on hinges) swing open and let the sewage and rainwater go DIRECTLY into the river, which feed the southern tip of lake Michigan, which empties into lake Huron, which empties into lake Erie, which goes over Niagara Falls and into lake Ontario, through the St. Lawrence Sea Way and out into the Atlantic. On the south side of our town all the water drains into the Kankakee River, which drains into the Illinois River, which drains into the Mississippi River, which feeds the Gulf of Mexico, which also ends up in the Atlantic.

Bet most of you didn't know that a continental divide exists in Northern Indiana, did ya!

(bet most of you didn't care, either! :laughing: )

 

[MarkV]

The projections are it will go around Florida, up the east coast, then out into the Atlantic.

Hate to say it but the locals tell me it is already in Pensacola and Port Saint Joe. I don't think the panhandle is going to dodge the bullet.

MarkV