Massey 135 just aquired

[Brakeman]

I just picked up a Massey Ferguson 135, I beleive it was a good deal, it runs good the hydralics work and it came with attachments. And heres the but it does not have a pto. Just wondering if you can do a field conversion and how difficult it could be if possible. I got the numbers off of the dash plate and looked on tractordata.com but the numbers don't match. Dash plate numbers are 135 446565 and below is M. There are other casting numbers on the gearbox. Left side 1867 505 m1 (or i). Right side 1868 185 m1 (or i). Any info would be helpful. Thankyou

 

[Farmwithjunk]

The numbers with the M1 suffix are part #'s on those castings. They mean little as far as identifying the tractor. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it MAY be a 2135, which was sort of an industrial version of the 135. You'll need a parts manual and a GOOD parts man to weed through various part #'s to see if a PTO can be added.

Serial # does NOT match up with any 135's I know of.

 

[flusher]

I just picked up a Massey Ferguson 135, I beleive it was a good deal, it runs good the hydralics work and it came with attachments. And heres the but it does not have a pto. Just wondering if you can do a field conversion and how difficult it could be if possible. I got the numbers off of the dash plate and looked on tractordata.com but the numbers don't match. Dash plate numbers are 135 446565 and below is M. There are other casting numbers on the gearbox. Left side 1867 505 m1 (or i). Right side 1868 185 m1 (or i). Any info would be helpful. Thankyou

No pto--probably an industrial tractor or some sort of towing tug (usually painted yellow). Please post photos so we can be of more help.

 

[Brakeman]

Thanks for the quick replys. I took a few picture of it and I hope they will do some good.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Thanks for the quick replys. I took a few picture of it and I hope they will do some good.View attachment 134599

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What is under the pto cover (the round stub sticking out the back between the lift arms)?

 

[flusher]

Thanks for the quick replys. I took a few picture of it and I hope they will do some good.View attachment 134599

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There's more to the pto that just the output shaft, which is relatively easy to remove for service or replacement on a standard 135.

My 1964 MF135 diesel has a two stage clutch and a pto shift lever on the left side of the transmission housing just below the seat (conveniently placed so you can operate it by reaching down with your left hand).

So, even though your photo of the rear end shows a cap over the opening where the pto shaft is usually seen, you're probably out of luck unless the clutch and tranny on your 135 are already setup for a pto.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

There's more to the pto that just the output shaft, which is relatively easy to remove for service or replacement on a standard 135.

My 1964 MF135 diesel has a two stage clutch and a pto shift lever on the left side of the transmission housing just below the seat (conveniently placed so you can operate it by reaching down with your left hand).

So, even though your photo of the rear end shows a cap over the opening where the pto shaft is usually seen, you're probably out of luck unless the clutch and tranny on your 135 are already setup for a pto.

The side view of the tractor looks like it has the lever to engage the pto already. I am wondering if the OP either didn't realize the pto is under the pto cover or if it is actually broken off and the cover is just there to cover the broken stub.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Can you post a picture of the front axle? From what I see, that IS a 2135. (OR...UK 135, also sold in Canada) It doesn't have the swept back axle and radius arms of a US market 135. As Robert said, the PTO SHOULD be under that screw-in cap on the rear end of the differential housing. It's possible that the pto stub shaft might have been removed, but from all indications, even if it IS gone, you have the same rear end as a standard 135. So....If the stub is gone, it should be feasable to replace it. Also, there is a pto control lever on the left side of the transmission housing, approx next to where your left heel would sit on the running board. (visable in photo #1) That wouldn't be there if it was not originally equipped with a pto shaft.

I've seen a BUNCH of 2135's (also MF20 Industrials) that were repainted in the red/silver AG tractor colors. If so, whoever did so swapped out hood emblems and used 135 decals. Yours has been repainted at one point. The grey chassis color is older "Ferguson" grey and not the flint grey metallic that would have been on an original 135.


I'm digging through some old info to see if that "odd" serial # is one that would be found on a UK model 135. (UK 135's built in the 70's had a straight axle on the front that you wouldn't find on a US market 135)

 

[soulasphil]

Surely there is a PTO under the PTO cover between the two chains at the back, just like on my own 135 !

 

[Texas Blues]

I guess when the owner removes the cover, pushes in the clutch, engages the pto lever, lets the clutch out, and looks back there to see if its spinning, we will know for sure lol

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Go easy on the OP. Not everyone knows everything instantly. And for all we know the pto may be broken off. I believe it is actually just a honest mistake by a new tractor owner. He doesn't need people making fun of him or laughing at him.

 

[Texas Blues]

Roger that, no disrespect intended, just funnin (is that a word?)

 

[Brakeman]

Thanks Texas Blues, it took a pipe wrench and a hammer to remove the cap. I never saw a cap over the pto before but I am use to being around Internationals and haven't been around to many Masseys. When I got the cap off I noticed the pto seal is leaking. Not a major leak. How hard is it to replace the seal. Come next week I will get the manuals to make life easier.

 

[soulasphil]

It's not very difficult to take out the PTO shaft and its bearing by pulling it backward after taking off the three screws but rather tricky to put it back as the other end is the hydraulic pump. Might be better to put up with a minor leak ? See what happens when you've used it a bit.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Thanks Texas Blues, it took a pipe wrench and a hammer to remove the cap. I never saw a cap over the pto before but I am use to being around Internationals and haven't been around to many Masseys. When I got the cap off I noticed the pto seal is leaking. Not a major leak. How hard is it to replace the seal. Come next week I will get the manuals to make life easier.

PTO seal is a breeze to replace. Drain the oil from the hydraulic sump, remove the four bolts surrounding the PTO shaft, and pull the entire PTO shaft/bearing assembly/seal out the back. It will be very obvious at that point how to remove/replace the seal. Re-install shaft assembly, and then re-fill oil in sump.

These Masseys are the simplest tractors ever built when it comes to working on them. Harry Ferguson's influences were still very evident even after his leaving Massey Ferguson. He believed in building a tractor that any farmer with average mechanical aptitude could maintain. I'd advise getting 3 manuals. The OEM OWNERS, SERVICE, and PARTS manuals. Those, along with some very basic hand tools, and you're good to go. The Owners manual has basic info. Service manual has more detailed info, and the parts manual has detailed exploded views of sub-assemblies (besides the part #'s)

As I mentioned in an earlier post, if and when you have time, please post a picture of that front axle. I still believe that to be something OTHER than a US market 135. The more I think about it, I'm leaning towards it being a UK edition, possibly an import from Canada. US 135's had a swept back axle with radius rods that ran back to just below the steering column. LAte model UK versions had a straight axle very simular to that found on later 200 series Massey's. That odd serial # would be more in line with UK serial designation.

 

[soulasphil]

If you do remove the PTO shaft after removing the 3 (not 4) bolts, be very careful when reinserting it in the 2 eccentrics working the 4 pistons of the hydraulic pump. Here is the picture from the manual :

 

[Brakeman]

I guess I should have mentioned that I'm a Canadian, eh! I thought there wouldn't be a difference between Canadian and American tractors. I took a couple of pictures of the front axle to see if that helps Farmwithjunk about figuring out the model or year of it. Thanks for the breakdown of the pto. It will help until I get hte books.

 

[Texas Blues]

Front axle looks to be a straight one. Is the inside of one of the front rims yellow? Thanks TB

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Front axle looks to be a straight one. Is the inside of one of the front rims yellow? Thanks TB

That entire rim looks to be yellow.

 

[Dirtleg]

That is the same setup as my 135 has. If it's a UK model that would explain why I can't get the info I want on my steering valve from the local Massy dealer. Upon seeing my tractor the mechanics there had no idea why it was setup like it is.

Brakeman could you humor me and get a picture of the steering gear housing? I just haven't seen another one like mine anywhere. Wanted to see if they are the same.

Here are a couple of pictures I had available right now.