Scaled my tow rig

[Diamondpilot]

If it is so clear why don't you show us where it says this.

Its on page 13.

http://www.in.gov/dor/files/cdl.pdf

Chris

 

[Duffster]

Its on page 13.

http://www.in.gov/dor/files/cdl.pdf

Chris

I don't see anything that references personal use being exempt.

Unless you can register that dually flatbed GN as an RV?

 

[oldtractors]

Why is this weight thing such a mystery? It comes up weekly. He is not "Commercial". The law clearly states that Recreational vehicles, Motor homes, personal property, Farm uses, ect is exempt.


Chris

Personal property is not exempt if you are over 26,000. RVs are. Unless you license the truck as an RV, it legally requires a CDL to pull that trailer. Some people do put the required equipment in a Class 7 or 8 truck and relicense them as an RV. If you had a camper permanently mounted on the front of the gooseneck, it would be an RV. You would be legal to pull a trailer of that weight with a Van, motorhome, or Suburban. But to pull it with a pickup requires a CDL.

Luckily, I don't see any "sponser" stickers on your Jeeps. If the DOT sees that, they assume you are making money with those Jeeps and you are definately commercial.

Most local race car drivers around here are now pulling their trailers with Suburbans, vans, or motorhomes in order to get around the DOT.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Personal property is not exempt if you are over 26,000. RVs are. Unless you license the truck as an RV, it legally requires a CDL to pull that trailer. Some people do put the required equipment in a Class 7 or 8 truck and relicense them as an RV. If you had a camper permanently mounted on the front of the gooseneck, it would be an RV. You would be legal to pull a trailer of that weight with a Van, motorhome, or Suburban. But to pull it with a pickup requires a CDL.

Luckily, I don't see any "sponser" stickers on your Jeeps. If the DOT sees that, they assume you are making money with those Jeeps and you are definately commercial.

Most local race car drivers around here are now pulling their trailers with Suburbans, vans, or motorhomes in order to get around the DOT.

I see where you guys are coming from. I always been told that personal property was exempt. For example I pull a 35'x12.5' boat that is 25,000# twice a year. Its about 40' long on the trailer. I apply and get a over width permit from the state of Indiana for each and every pull. They give me limitations like route, day, time, marked wide load, chase vehicles, ect. I simply tell them its personal use and no questions are asked. Maybe they are just turning a blind eye. I drive right past the cops with no issues while a guy with a ZTR mower on a single axle trailer behind a F-150 will get pulled over because they assume he is for hire.:confused2:

I supply the folks at the Indiana Motor Carrier Dept all the info required like truck, plate number, license number, insurance, ect. I do not have a CDL and in 7 years, 13 times transporting so far not one mention of a CDL. They just simply ask me why I am moving it. I respond by telling them I am transporting the boat from the marina to storage in the fall or from storage to the marina in the spring. End of story.
Chris

 

[Duffster]

Personal property is not exempt if you are over 26,000. RVs are. Unless you license the truck as an RV, it legally requires a CDL to pull that trailer. Some people do put the required equipment in a Class 7 or 8 truck and relicense them as an RV. If you had a camper permanently mounted on the front of the gooseneck, it would be an RV. You would be legal to pull a trailer of that weight with a Van, motorhome, or Suburban. But to pull it with a pickup requires a CDL.

Luckily, I don't see any "sponser" stickers on your Jeeps. If the DOT sees that, they assume you are making money with those Jeeps and you are definately commercial.

Most local race car drivers around here are now pulling their trailers with Suburbans, vans, or motorhomes in order to get around the DOT.

A suburban VS pickup doesn't make any difference. Now motorhome vs pickup would.

 

[Duffster]

I see where you guys are coming from. I always been told that personal property was exempt. For example I pull a 35'x12.5' boat that is 25,000# twice a year. Its about 40' long on the trailer. I apply and get a over width permit from the state of Indiana for each and every pull. They give me limitations like route, day, time, marked wide load, chase vehicles, ect. I simply tell them its personal use and no questions are asked. Maybe they are just turning a blind eye. I drive right past the cops with no issues while a guy with a ZTR mower on a single axle trailer behind a F-150 will get pulled over because they assume he is for hire.:confused2:

I supply the folks at the Indiana Motor Carrier Dept all the info required like truck, plate number, license number, insurance, ect. I do not have a CDL and in 7 years, 13 times transporting so far not one mention of a CDL. They just simply ask me why I am moving it. I respond by telling them I am transporting the boat from the marina to storage in the fall or from storage to the marina in the spring. End of story.
Chris

Boats are considered an RV. Now if you told them you were towing it for hire you would need a CDL.

 

[Dmace]

Boats are considered an RV.

So are the Jeeps and Buggy's he's hauling. Funny how some people think "RV" means camper instead of Recreational Vehicle. Now if he was hauling large crates or boxes of supplies and other materials (wood, bricks, concrete, etc...) then he would need a CDL but these trucks and buggy's are just as "recreational" as a camper.

 

[oldtractors]

A suburban VS pickup doesn't make any difference. Now motorhome vs pickup would.

It does in Iowa. A Suburban is a "car" and isn't registered by weight. You do not need a CDL to drive a "car"

 

[Diamondpilot]

So are the Jeeps and Buggy's he's hauling. Funny how some people think "RV" means camper instead of Recreational Vehicle. Now if he was hauling large crates or boxes of supplies and other materials (wood, bricks, concrete, etc...) then he would need a CDL but these trucks and buggy's are just as "recreational" as a camper.

Thats how they see it here also. My buddy with the 60,000# rig is pulling dirt bikes, UTV's, and ATV's plus a couple of buggies. They consider all that Recreational in Indiana.

Chris

 

[wolfpack2]

Per Michigan CDL Manual:

Are There CDL Exemptions?
The following people do NOT need a Commercial Driver License (CDL):
�� ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY: Operating military vehicles with military licenses (includes National Guard).
�� POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS: Operating authorized emergency vehicles.
�� FARMERS: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.
An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a
GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the Fendorsement.
The F-endorsement is NOT a CDL.
Farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placards while operating combination
vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR
of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.
�� INDIVIDUALS: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.