Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood.

   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #31  
That is good to know, I am not licensed to do asbestos removal and the EPA regulate that in NY and I do not know the requirements for it. I am EPA licensed for Lead removal and went thru all the training the EPA wanted and that was quite involved, I would immagine asbestos would be even more involved as far as training goes. I really have no interest in it as I am young enough to have to worry about long term still. Thanks
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #32  
You guys are so right! Don't give anyone a handout and keep the [censored] govt.'s hands tied. The problem is the govt. trys to get in everyone's back pocket. Yesterday I had a guy over to help me decide what to put on some pasture next to make into hay. He asked about what govt. programs I was in and said none. He was just appalled!!! He said oh you have to be in the govt. programs you can't get by without them. Then if you try and sell the ground and it's not in the program nobody will buy it. Well that's the way we have become.

Even in my practice. I have people who are on state aid. Do you think they will do one single thing to help their health at all? Heck no. They won't even bring their kids back for re-exams. You see them once and put them on a health plan and they just blow you off. Then they call and cancel and re-sched. etc. Then they wonder why noone will take them if they are state aid. I'm in a program where I help kids who can't afford care and to do that you have to also take state aid. If it wasn't for the good we do for the kids no way I would stay in it. We aren't a democracy anymore, we're a socialist republic. I really wish something would be done but short of a revolution I just don't see that happening.
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #33  
Yep, that's about it. In the utility business, I see it all. Free heat in the winter and windows wide open in those houses. Plent of booze and cigarettes too. If you looked at the colored maps shown on the presidential election coverage shows, everything rural was pretty much for Bush and urban for Gore. I can't believe the unions supported him either, they are all working folks. Now the socialist plot rich against poor, and since my wife and I both work, we are the "rich". The cities are concentrated welfare magnets, although we have plenty of it in rural NY. Once these people can vote themselves $$$ from the national treasury {and it is close now}, it is all over for capitalism. I guess that's why I talk boats and tractors, the other frustrates me too much.
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #34  
I remember reading once that the great civilizations have all fallen when the citizens decided they should collect money from the Treasury. (ie, get paid by the Gov't). Maybe one of our resident scholars has more info on it?

SHF
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #35  
That philosphy is written somewhere. I believe it may have been been put into words orginally during the Roman Era.
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #36  
Re Asbestos removal:

The removal process is quite compilicated with everything haveing to be contained so no dust/fibers can escape. Breathing apparatus/ full disposable clothing and post on site shower facilities may be required. Special baging and labeling applies and in the end it all goes to the local land fill.

Insulators may have a tenuated life span but are not paid in compensation if there could be such a thing. Their families may also be at risk from the dust brought home in clothing as many times all does not follow set procedure for cost reasons and many even feel they are immune to the effects.

Egon
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #37  
It is the same with lead removal, all the precautions and everything. When we get done removine lead in a house we have to vacume the house with a hepa vac, wash the entire house and vac it again. It is a lot of fun. There are probally quite a few different procedures between lead removal and asbestos removal but it is the same basic concept. Later.
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #38  
Now that EPA exists, they are on a roll and have to continually add new things to prove that they should continue to exist. Its job security at its best. Most Govt. agencies do exactly the same thing.
Years ago they took away Penta for treating wood, on the erroneous finding that some cows must have eaten their Penta-treated stall wood (Michigan) because Penta was discovered in the milk, and it was traced back to these cows. Only after the initial media and EPA hype, and after Penta was cast as a 'dangerous' treatment, and after it was too late to stop the stampede to get rid of Penta, was it discovered that someone mistakenly mixed Penta chemicals in the feed that was later fed to the cows. By then it was too late. Real people tried to say how many pounds and tons of Penta-treated wood a cow would have to eat to get any significant amount of Penta into the milk, but this honest information falls on deaf ears of the scare mongers.
Alternative chemicals (CCA being one of them) were then used in an attempt to replace Penta, but cost the industry (and ultimately the public) a lot of money for mediocre wood treatments. Now we waste the wood that our forests produced, because we let it decay in applications that it could be protected. (Also, an oil treatment of wood will not keep it from decaying)
The hype list is endless (asbestos is one of them), and we will continue to pay through the nose for the ways of the Govt. agencies gone wild. Nuff soapbox.
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #39  
Couldn't have said it better myself mate!
 
   / Say Bye Bye to CCA Pressure Treated Wood. #40  
Rubeintrropfen,

Check out a product called Timber Tech it looks great. It's textured and it tongue and grove so no face nails show. Also has the color of real wood. I built my front and back porch with it 4 years ago it still looks great.
Crown
 

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