Mahindra 3510 FEL question

[Secret Squirrel]

I don't know if this will be of any help, but we rated and recommended the Mahrinda 3510 with a TA-170 loader with a 1450lb lift capacity (full height front edge of bucket). We have an optional (TA-175) with upgraded lift cylinders to get 2250 lbs, however it is not recommended for this tractor. You may be at your tractors max capacity for a loader.

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Here are Mahrinda's specs on your loader, however they only list capacity back at the pivot pins (1972#). If you move 48" out (pallet size) towards front edge of your bucket you will get considerably less lift power.

If there is any way you can move the load back closer to the loader it will help. For example if you are using the clamp on stye forklift teeth (clamps over front edge of bucket), you'd be better off getting rid of the bucket.

Here is an example: If I move the measurement point of a loader from the pivot to the front edge of bucket this is what happens to the lift capacity.

PIVOT PIN: 4100# lift capacity at 10' high
FRONT EDGE: 2400# lift capacity at 10' high 800 mm out from Pivot Pin

Hopefully this helps.

Ever consider a 3-point forklift? They have much more lift capacity (3500#). The only bad thing is you have to go backwards, but that is a lot easier than unloading the pallet by hand .

Thrifty-Lift

Thanks for the info. We are using real 48" pallet forks and not clamp-ons.

This all seems to imply that we are already on the hairy edge of prudent operation. That 3-point forklift is interesting. If this cylinder upgrade doesn't help us, we'll have to take a closer look.

Rusty

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Just my opinion here, but I know that on both my 3215 and 7520 when I pick up a maximum load, I can see the loader arms flexing. And although the flex is not much, I would imagine that with an increase of 25% lifting capacity, the loader frame would not hold up very long. With the extra load, you have now put a much bigger load on the whole tractor. Lots of other points on the tractor to possibly fail. Power steering, front axle, tires, just to name a few. Sounds to me like the lifting is a regular thing, maybe you need to think about a bigger machine. You can find a 4000lb forklift with pneumatic tires for about 3k these days.

Don't want to be a naysayer, and if it is only a one or two time type thing, then yes over load it, but you are looking to spend money and that is an indication to me that it is a regular thing. You need the right equipment to do the job properly, if not, then the equipment ends up failing at some point.

Again, just my opinion here.

 

[skipmarcy]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the ML112 loader is almost too much for the 3510/4110 as is, I wouldn't try to get more capacity out of it as it will almost certainly cause tractor problems. I honestly think you would find a cylinder upgrade a total waste of money.

When I get a really full bucket of dirt or gravel in my 6' bucket and get on a relatively mild downslope it will actually lift my rear tires off the ground - have had to do an emergency dump real quick a few times. Now granted my boxblade is fairly lightweight and I could add weight to overcome the situation but watching the front tires squat and the whole loader assembly trying to flex the tractor in half tells me that I'm already at the tractor's limits anyway. If you'll look at my posts from 2004 when my tractor really did almost come in half before Mahindra sent me the extra braces you'll see what kind of trouble there is potential for. Not to mention eating front axles.

As far as forks go, what's been posted tells it like it is - it doesn't take much at all ahead of the bucket to cut your capacity. My homeade forks are adjustable and I have to keep them at their shortest length to get any use at all out of them. Mine extend only 18" from the lip of the bucket and will stop a lift very easily on an otherwise normal load. I can imagine 48" forks are almost useless. Like has been said already, a 3 point fork would be much better for pallet work. I've moved 54' mobile homes on my hitch, approx. 5k tongue weight - way more than most any pallet you might come across. Good luck on whatever you decide to do - and don't hurt yourself !!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Just my opinion here, but I know that on both my 3215 and 7520 when I pick up a maximum load, I can see the loader arms flexing. And although the flex is not much, I would imagine that with an increase of 25% lifting capacity, the loader frame would not hold up very long. With the extra load, you have now put a much bigger load on the whole tractor. Lots of other points on the tractor to possibly fail. Power steering, front axle, tires, just to name a few. Sounds to me like the lifting is a regular thing, maybe you need to think about a bigger machine. You can find a 4000lb forklift with pneumatic tires for about 3k these days.

Don't want to be a naysayer, and if it is only a one or two time type thing, then yes over load it, but you are looking to spend money and that is an indication to me that it is a regular thing. You need the right equipment to do the job properly, if not, then the equipment ends up failing at some point.

Again, just my opinion here.

Thanks for your opinion, but a conventional fork lift truck wouldn't help us much where we are currently working. The better solution, if new cylinders are a bad idea, is to keep splitting the delivered loads onto multiple pallets. It takes some extra time and can be a real nuisance, but the area is not well suited to anything smaller than tractor or skidsteer tires.

Rusty

 

[Secret Squirrel]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the ML112 loader is almost too much for the 3510/4110 as is, I wouldn't try to get more capacity out of it as it will almost certainly cause tractor problems. I honestly think you would find a cylinder upgrade a total waste of money.

When I get a really full bucket of dirt or gravel in my 6' bucket and get on a relatively mild downslope it will actually lift my rear tires off the ground - have had to do an emergency dump real quick a few times. Now granted my boxblade is fairly lightweight and I could add weight to overcome the situation but watching the front tires squat and the whole loader assembly trying to flex the tractor in half tells me that I'm already at the tractor's limits anyway. If you'll look at my posts from 2004 when my tractor really did almost come in half before Mahindra sent me the extra braces you'll see what kind of trouble there is potential for. Not to mention eating front axles.

As far as forks go, what's been posted tells it like it is - it doesn't take much at all ahead of the bucket to cut your capacity. My homeade forks are adjustable and I have to keep them at their shortest length to get any use at all out of them. Mine extend only 18" from the lip of the bucket and will stop a lift very easily on an otherwise normal load. I can imagine 48" forks are almost useless. Like has been said already, a 3 point fork would be much better for pallet work. I've moved 54' mobile homes on my hitch, approx. 5k tongue weight - way more than most any pallet you might come across. Good luck on whatever you decide to do - and don't hurt yourself !!

Thanks for your help. Can't say that I am not disappointed (I am), but better safe than sorry. I didn't realize I had so little margin available. I too have floated the rear tires and that's why they are now loaded and why I use such a large ballast box. I've never had a problem since.

I'll search for your old posts on the subject and educate myself.

Rusty

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Thanks for your opinion, but a conventional fork lift truck wouldn't help us much where we are currently working. The better solution, if new cylinders are a bad idea, is to keep splitting the delivered loads onto multiple pallets. It takes some extra time and can be a real nuisance, but the area is not well suited to anything smaller than tractor or skidsteer tires.

Rusty

So I'm guessing that you don't have off road forklifts in your area. 44" tires are not all that small in my book. These now older machines were pulled behind semi truck and trailers in my area, usually for unloading concrete block. Usually had a 4-6k lift capacity.

Just trying to help

 

[Tim_in_IA]

I've seen forklifts for the 3 point around here. they can go way up there too. You still have to take the tractor size into account though. I think the units I've seen used on craigslist in my area have been under 2k.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

So I'm guessing that you don't have off road forklifts in your area. 44" tires are not all that small in my book. These now older machines were pulled behind semi truck and trailers in my area, usually for unloading concrete block. Usually had a 4-6k lift capacity.

Just trying to help

Sorry, I wasn't thinking of the off road type. Don't see many of them around anymore. They've mostly been supplanted by those telescopic forklifts.

Regardless, I don't think we want to go that far at this time. The new cylinders could have been had for less that $500 total including end mods. Much above that - maybe $1000 tops - and we aren't interested. We'll just live with the nuisance factor.

Rusty