I am looking at buying a new holland tc24da. A local dealer for Kubota has a 7610hydro that he thinks i need. The kubota does not have the cruise control on the Hydro that the NH does. Is this any big deal?Any insight would be helpful. I will have a loader, tiller and a t5 harley power rake.
Looking for insight into 7610hydro.
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ronjhall
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Killer_B
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Greg,
I can assure you that the B7610 DOES have cruise control. It is one of the two orange levers on the vertical dash panel. It is not as sophisticated as some of the other models. Nonetheless, you can use the lever to set a particular speed and take your foot off the pedal. Tapping the pedal disengages it.
As far as usefulness goes, I have never found a use for it, other than playing with it to see if it works. I use my tractor for finish mowing, brush hogging, tilling, snow blowing and more.
You can use the link below to see photos of my Killer B7610. Good luck, and enjoy the hunt!
I can assure you that the B7610 DOES have cruise control. It is one of the two orange levers on the vertical dash panel. It is not as sophisticated as some of the other models. Nonetheless, you can use the lever to set a particular speed and take your foot off the pedal. Tapping the pedal disengages it.
As far as usefulness goes, I have never found a use for it, other than playing with it to see if it works. I use my tractor for finish mowing, brush hogging, tilling, snow blowing and more.
You can use the link below to see photos of my Killer B7610. Good luck, and enjoy the hunt!
ronjhall
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My B7100HST had a similar cruise control. It did not work like my B2910 that allows me to change ground speed by pushing or pulling on handle.
My property is long and narrow. Back field is over 1000 ft long. After making several of those runs it does not take long before I'm looking for the cruise control lever.
I never use the cruise control to cut lawn. Too many obstacles to drive around.
My property is long and narrow. Back field is over 1000 ft long. After making several of those runs it does not take long before I'm looking for the cruise control lever.
I never use the cruise control to cut lawn. Too many obstacles to drive around.
btolle
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The Kubota cruise control is more of what I would call a "lock". Once you get to the speed you want push the orange lever below and just to the right of the steering wheel down. There are 2 levers there. The one on the left is the cruise control and the one on the right is the parking brake lock.
I have never used the cruise control on my old B7100 or my new B7510 but I don't have any real long runs. I imagine it would be handy if you have a large field you are mowing or something like that.
Bill Tolle
I have never used the cruise control on my old B7100 or my new B7510 but I don't have any real long runs. I imagine it would be handy if you have a large field you are mowing or something like that.
Bill Tolle
ronjhall
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<font color="blue"> "lock" </font>
That better explains what <font color="orange"> Kubota </font> has on tractors they do not advertise as having cruise control.
Thanks
That better explains what <font color="orange"> Kubota </font> has on tractors they do not advertise as having cruise control.
Thanks
Bird
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My old memory may be incorrect, but doesn't Kubota call it a "speed set" device instead of cruise control?
ronjhall
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Thanks for the info on the "lock". Seems kinda like cruise control if not just like it with a different name. I am going to till and use a Harley power rake this summer. We have lots of new homes in the area with no new yards. I see the brochure says that the rear pto lift weight is a litttle over 1000lbs while the tc24 has 1250 lbs. The rake i will use weighs 850 lbs. Is the pto lift capacity on the 7610 accurate? What kind of luck have you had on your kubota?
The price of the NH and the Kubota are so close as to call them the same. I like the visibality of the loader with NH. Can you tell me if the Kubota has good visability? The dealer does not have a loader on his for me to look at. I am really torn between the two tractors. I f money where not so tight i would go with a NHtc29 but there is quite a big jump for the bigger model.
Do you feel the Kubota has plenty of HP for landscaping and general tilling and yard work? I have never owned a tractor with the exception of and old 9n ford that i just drove in circles(no implements, just for fun).
One more question, do you have any idea how the Kubota tractors hold there value as apposed to NH or others? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
The price of the NH and the Kubota are so close as to call them the same. I like the visibality of the loader with NH. Can you tell me if the Kubota has good visability? The dealer does not have a loader on his for me to look at. I am really torn between the two tractors. I f money where not so tight i would go with a NHtc29 but there is quite a big jump for the bigger model.
Do you feel the Kubota has plenty of HP for landscaping and general tilling and yard work? I have never owned a tractor with the exception of and old 9n ford that i just drove in circles(no implements, just for fun).
One more question, do you have any idea how the Kubota tractors hold there value as apposed to NH or others? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Killer_B
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>>Is the pto lift capacity on the 7610 accurate?
I assume you mean the three point liting capacity. I really can't say, since the heaviest thing I lift is probably a 52" tiller, which it does quite handily.
>>What kind of luck have you had on your Kubota?
I have had no problems with my 7610. It currently has 50 hrs on it. I expect that the NH is equally trouble free on average. Keep in mind, you can find plenty of examples of lemons in all colors on this board.
>>Can you tell me if the Kubota has good visibility?
I have nothing to compare to. Having said that, I have never wished for more visibility. Maybe if I had an NH with the sloped hood I might think differently.
>> Do you feel the Kubota has plenty of HP for landscaping and general tilling and yard work?
I can't imagine needing more HP for my uses.
>> do you have any idea how the Kubota tractors hold there value as apposed to NH or others?
I don't know how the resale compares to other makes. I suspect the big three all add up much the same statistically.
To me, the tractor is every bit as much a "toy" as it is a tool. As such, my advice it to get the one that you get the most fun out of operating. They will both do the same work. But work is only part of the equation.
Good luck
I assume you mean the three point liting capacity. I really can't say, since the heaviest thing I lift is probably a 52" tiller, which it does quite handily.
>>What kind of luck have you had on your Kubota?
I have had no problems with my 7610. It currently has 50 hrs on it. I expect that the NH is equally trouble free on average. Keep in mind, you can find plenty of examples of lemons in all colors on this board.
>>Can you tell me if the Kubota has good visibility?
I have nothing to compare to. Having said that, I have never wished for more visibility. Maybe if I had an NH with the sloped hood I might think differently.
>> Do you feel the Kubota has plenty of HP for landscaping and general tilling and yard work?
I can't imagine needing more HP for my uses.
>> do you have any idea how the Kubota tractors hold there value as apposed to NH or others?
I don't know how the resale compares to other makes. I suspect the big three all add up much the same statistically.
To me, the tractor is every bit as much a "toy" as it is a tool. As such, my advice it to get the one that you get the most fun out of operating. They will both do the same work. But work is only part of the equation.
Good luck
btolle
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While I can't speak to that exact model I have found Kubota's numbers to be conservative when it come to lift capacities and such.
It appears that you feel it is a toss-up between the 2 machines. If that is the case then you might want to talk to a couple of owners of the 2 brands and ask them how they feel about the dealers. As stated by so many on this forum the dealer is as important, if not more so, than the brand of tractor.
Any brand can have problems, it is how those problems are handled by the dealer that counts. As far as the manufacturer goes I expect my dealer to insulate me from any problems with the manufacturer, that is what I pay him for. If the factory can't or won't do somthing that is his problem, not mine. I bought the tractor from him, not the factory.
Bill Tolle
It appears that you feel it is a toss-up between the 2 machines. If that is the case then you might want to talk to a couple of owners of the 2 brands and ask them how they feel about the dealers. As stated by so many on this forum the dealer is as important, if not more so, than the brand of tractor.
Any brand can have problems, it is how those problems are handled by the dealer that counts. As far as the manufacturer goes I expect my dealer to insulate me from any problems with the manufacturer, that is what I pay him for. If the factory can't or won't do somthing that is his problem, not mine. I bought the tractor from him, not the factory.
Bill Tolle
A big factor for me in looking at the Kubota was the dealer being 5 miles away. The New Holland dealer is 175 miles away. If a repair or warranty work could be done in a day all is good. If parts needed ordered or another type of delay happened i will be looking at two round trips to Anchorage and several days of down time.
I think both machines are great as well as the dealers selling them. I just think i should consider the possibility of 350 mile round trips to the NH dealer. I hate to admit it but the Kubota dealer brought this to my attention, I have been so into the NH TC24DA that i became blind to the obvious.
I think both machines are great as well as the dealers selling them. I just think i should consider the possibility of 350 mile round trips to the NH dealer. I hate to admit it but the Kubota dealer brought this to my attention, I have been so into the NH TC24DA that i became blind to the obvious.
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If you’re going to be running a full time business with the tractor I would say that the ability to get the tractor repaired, if needed, promptly would be a huge factor. Sounds like the distant dealer would shut you down for at least three days with travel time.
I was wondering what the recommended PTO horsepower requirements for the Harley rake are? Also, will a 5’ unit be enough to cover the rear tires on the tractors you are looking at? It would be nice to extend past the tires enough to work close to buildings and minimize the hand work when putting in lawns.
Good luck with the new business.
MarkV
I was wondering what the recommended PTO horsepower requirements for the Harley rake are? Also, will a 5’ unit be enough to cover the rear tires on the tractors you are looking at? It would be nice to extend past the tires enough to work close to buildings and minimize the hand work when putting in lawns.
Good luck with the new business.
MarkV
Mark, down time if a concern for sure. Not so much as running things full time because i'm not but i work on an offshore oil platform and work a week on week off schedule. For me to not have a tractor for 3-4 days shoots most of the week down. When i am at work i am not home so evenings and weekends don't happen either.
I hope to keep myself busy at least 3-5 days of my week off, as you can see down time is not good. A summer season in Alaska is from May through August. We start to get frost in September.
I hope to keep myself busy at least 3-5 days of my week off, as you can see down time is not good. A summer season in Alaska is from May through August. We start to get frost in September.
I work for a municipality. We have a B7610 hydro. I really like the tractor. So far I've used it on a 72" land pride finish mower, 8' pull type grader, 5' brush cutter, old dear born sickle bar, 50" snow blower and a few other things. Works well even though most of the stuff is a bit large for the tractor and we knew that when the tractor was purchased. We had the requirement that the tractor fit through 50" spaces. Lift capacity of the 3pt is very good in my opinion. I for get the exact weight of our 72" mower but if I remember right it was around the weight you listed for the rake it lifts it like nothing was there. However it settles down in about 10 min. You will need front ballast of some sort if you operate with out the loader. We have 5 55# wights on front and it's stable. I did add a set of dual rear wheels for stability on the slopes when mowing. It has great traction for its size and weight on R4's. We grade roads and alleys with a old 8' pull type, it handles it in most conditions in 4 wd with out much slip. I did not expect that this tractor would pull the grader like it does I was totally amazed. Steering is very nice. The cruse control or lock is ok. I use it all the time when mowing or grading. It's basically a saw tooth locking device that locks your hydro petal. The saw tooth design results in steps in the speeds like gears instead of the infinitely variable hydro. For us where I'm running the engine at full load all the time with the mower I find that one step in the lock is too fast and the next too slow. The dealer told me when we bought it that the compact diesels did not have alot of power at low rpms and that it was best to run full throttle all the time. I found this to be not true at all. The 7610 has great power at lower rpms and can really lug. I have had some trouble trying to maintain pto speed on the snow blower. It seems that the engine developes peak power around 200 rpm below pto speed and likes to run there. I would say it puts out rated pto power but no more. It has no trouble what so ever putting power to the wheels. It will spin the wheels in 4 wd in either range but I usially pull the grader in low to be easier on the hydro and we don't grade very fast any way. The hyd flow capasity is very good. I have no idea on resale there are very few compacts around here. I would prefer the brakes to be on the other side but its not been a big deal. Also the quarter inching valve is ok but no subsitute for a position controll. Good luck
WayneW
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I'll second Suess on the 3 pt lift capacity.
I'm not sure a few hundred pounds should influance your decision. Even with a front balast of either the loader or snowblower on my 7610 I think you lose front end stability FAR before you will exceed the 3pt lift capacity. This would probably be true with the New Holland also, since the tractor is of comparible weight to the 7610.
I lift pallets full with wood on my 3pt with a carry all. My guess would be that the pallet (when full) is at or over the 1,058 lbs capacity. (24" past lift pt) I have to back down a small hill to put the wood in a shed, and even with the snowblower or FEL on, I can get the front tires off the ground by jumping on the end of the pallet. Yet, as another stated, I believe all tractor companys rate their lift capacities very conservatively. I'm certain that my 3 pt would lift me (200 lbs) and probably another standing on the pallet of wood without much difficulty. (it doesn't even hesitate to lift the wood as is)
Same with the loader. I have filled rear tires and you lose rear stability with a HEAVY load. I find that I need the filled tires AND my box blade. (about 300 lbs) when I'm moving large rocks, and going down a hill.
Then again, maybe at flat land, all would be ok.
-good luck
I'm not sure a few hundred pounds should influance your decision. Even with a front balast of either the loader or snowblower on my 7610 I think you lose front end stability FAR before you will exceed the 3pt lift capacity. This would probably be true with the New Holland also, since the tractor is of comparible weight to the 7610.
I lift pallets full with wood on my 3pt with a carry all. My guess would be that the pallet (when full) is at or over the 1,058 lbs capacity. (24" past lift pt) I have to back down a small hill to put the wood in a shed, and even with the snowblower or FEL on, I can get the front tires off the ground by jumping on the end of the pallet. Yet, as another stated, I believe all tractor companys rate their lift capacities very conservatively. I'm certain that my 3 pt would lift me (200 lbs) and probably another standing on the pallet of wood without much difficulty. (it doesn't even hesitate to lift the wood as is)
Same with the loader. I have filled rear tires and you lose rear stability with a HEAVY load. I find that I need the filled tires AND my box blade. (about 300 lbs) when I'm moving large rocks, and going down a hill.
Then again, maybe at flat land, all would be ok.
-good luck
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While some folks may find cruise control handy, I never use mine and on the L3830 it could not be easier or convenient to use, I just never find an application for it. The Harley Power Rake I have is not an application for cruise control.
I have decided that it would be wise to go with a local dealer in the unlikely event i needed repair support. Of course this means Kubota. We have a John Deere dealer in the area but since thay feel they would be doing ME the favor by buying from them they are out of the picture.
I have decided to go hydrostatic for sure.
I have decided to go hydrostatic for sure.
khd
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I really like my 7610. I didn't really look at other brands except for a brief view at the 21hp Deere but I didn't like either dealer whom one was also a NH dealer. The 7610 was chosen based on my needs. I am a business executive in a 24/7/365 business which consumes a great deal of time and energy, I have two acres and alot of dirveway, the 7610 helps me take care of my property in much less time and exceeds in it's ability to do so. I am also an incessent tinkerer for which the 7610 helps me take on various "heavy" projects on the property. In this capacity the 7610 does the job but I have to remind myself that it is not a dedicated peice of commercial equipment. I am not disappointed in this what so ever I just have to plan for a little more time and patience compared to the realtive ease in which it completes its' evryday tasks.
Be realistic and I am sure you will be happy with the machine.
Regards,
Kevin
Be realistic and I am sure you will be happy with the machine.
Regards,
Kevin
frank_f15
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sounds like you made a well informed, logical decesion. Good luck
