BX22 or CK20 (HST or Manual)

DK35vince · Oct 31, 2003

( I chose not to deal as a third party at this time in my life as a dealer. I like to deal directly with the manufacturer as several times the middle party has had a change in heart and I as well as my customer was left out. )

Kioti when dealer direct years ago.There is no middle party to have a change of heart !!
My dealer has been a Kioti dealer since the early 90's.
They have been selling here for over a decade,sales are better than ever and Kioti is now building a 180,000 square foot assembly/distribution center in North Carolina.
So I think it is safe to say Kioti isn't going anywhere !!

mgrick · Oct 31, 2003

I agree,there's just as many Kioti dealers around here as Kubota.I can't see why I would want to pay more and get less with Kubota.I had a guy come over who has a Kubuta and he checked out my Kioti,he couldn't believe what I payed for it and how well built it was and the options that come standard.Kubota is just going to price themselves out of the market around here.Dealers sell Kioti's out as quick as they come in.I'm not worried about resale or Kioti going anywhere. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DK35vince · Oct 31, 2003

( Unfortunatly I feel there are to many new manufacturers coming in to the country right now.)

The Kioti website states "The first Kioti compact tractor was introduced in the US in 1985."

Kioti went dealer direct at a later date.(no middle party)

"1993 Daedong USA was formed."
I wouldn't exactly list Kioti as a new Mfg. coming into the country.

sweettractors · Oct 31, 2003

Dealers sell Kioti's out as quick as they come in.I'm not worried about
resale or Kioti going anywhere. 

I agree with you 100 percent--This company is "Rock Solid" We have been in business over 26 years and have seen many old Mfgrs like IH and Ford go out or merge with another company to keep afloat--We have been a dealer for Kioti for years and have sold many tractors. We average about 1 minor warranty claim per year. Our local NH/MF dealer has them lined up at the back service dept door every Monday morning--I understand they are considering closing one of thier stores, if they can get out of the lease?--I sorta feel sorry for them /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif-Ken Sweet
Sweet Farm Equipment Co *Implement Scratch and Dent sale on now*

DK35vince · Nov 1, 2003

( As a dealer I want the best brand that I can have for longevity of the product as well as dealer service to me which in turn takes care of our relationships that we often have for life with our freinds our customers. )

Art,
Kubota makes a fine tractor, I'm not disputing that.
But I think you should look closer at Kioti. Especially the newer DK and CK models.
I think you are underestimating the fit and finish and quality of these tractors.
I my opinion they are as good as any I have seen.

NIXON · Nov 1, 2003

I think you are underestimating the fit and finish and quality of these tractors.
I my opinion they are as good as any I have seen. )

Vince I've got to agree with you . I went with an L3130 over a DK 35 simply for the hydro . (the wife drives it too /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif )
But as to fit finish and features it's a wash . As to price ... The DK had a good edge . And the folks at Romans Engine sales were first rate folks ! I wish he was also a Kubota dealer .
If I was the only operator of the machine , I'd be the very happy owner of a Dk 35 with the Creeper gear set up .
John

DK35vince · Nov 2, 2003

( Vince I've got to agree with you . I went with an L3130 over a DK 35 simply for the hydro . (the wife drives it too /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif )
But as to fit finish and features it's a wash . )

Thanks John and good luck with the 3130, thats a real nice machine.

bgsiii · Nov 2, 2003

( Have you looked at Mahindras new 2015 model? )

Have not, I did checkout their website. Looks like a nice machine. Do you know what the 2015 or the 2615 with a FEL and backhoe goes for?

jrlichina · Nov 3, 2003

2015 for $11,400 with loader after a rebate. Check out BillsTractor

art · Nov 3, 2003

Dk, Kioti owners here you ate me up and spit me out, you were justified. I started looking and as much as I feel I sit in the center of the world, I guess I don't. I don't have a kioti dealer within 40 plus miles of me and more, and everyway I would leave I can find all the other makes as well as mine again in just over 25 miles. Why would anybody try to start one. I know that we are in the internet age and maybe 250 good dealers is better then 2000 with some not so good. The brand does seem viable and the product doesn't look bad as I have taken the time at some of the shows when they have been there to look at them. I do believe that to try to trade them in (in a regressed area like this) they might not sell so good as there are no neighbors with them. That is why I stated what I did about resale. The book values do seem to be holding good. (they didn't the last time I had looked) I didn't mean to infer , but I can understand after reading the statement as Kioti has been here for a while but there are a lot of new brands coming in. There are a lot of new brands that have just started here. Some will be strong and find a niche here, some won't. We have seen other brands that came across twenty years ago that didn't make it as well as plenty here that couldn't make it either. Some of those brands have been discussed before on this site those people were looking for parts. I have been there as a dealer and I like endurance of product lines. Kioti does seem do be doing well where they are located, the product lines are widening and obviously you guys are very happy with your purchases.

shoppintractors · Nov 3, 2003

Art,

Sounds like your in the perfect geographical area to add the Kioti line at your dealership. You would'nt be the first Kubota dealer to add Kioti's to thier line-up. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Don

art · Nov 3, 2003

Don, for what I said about Kioti I doubt that they would want me. We unfortuanatly have a choice of three or four compact brands depending on how you look at it major brands in our line-up now and to train people to know what they are and how to represent them well, one brand is more then enough. We have been asked thru the years to sell nearly all brands. I know that a few years ago we did for one reason or another get stuff from Kioti. A couple of years ago we looked at our lawn and garden tractors. Three brands all top end how much better can you have it? We had no starter line up with lower pricing. It is a balancing act as to what to sell and what area you want to focus the buisness in. We are an older ag dealer with 40 years of lawn mower experience,not a bad thing just a challange to keep getting out of the ruts we build. Just thinking maybe we should look for a new low priced line to offer a variety of pricing in compact tractors! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

mathey · Nov 3, 2003

wow, that's a nice looking unit and has great pricing!

but...the engine HP is 20 and the PTO HP is 21.1?
is that correct?

jrlichina · Nov 3, 2003

No that's a misprint. If you go the manufacturer site I think it states 16hp, double check to be sure.

Dewave · Nov 3, 2003

I get this strong feeling that Art is hiding a Kioti in his back yard, /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It's a ok, Art. Repeat after me... "My name is Art and I own a Kioti."

Your secret is safe with us. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif JKing ya.

Don

art · Nov 3, 2003

Given enough time I do get to own most all!

shoppintractors · Nov 4, 2003

Just thinking maybe we should look for a new low priced line to
offer a variety of pricing in compact tractors!
Art,
Just in case you didn't have this information at your finger tips...

 Interested in becoming a certified KIOTI dealer? Call 1-252-291-6111
www.kiotitractor.com

Don

cbh · Jan 1, 2004

bgsiii,

Not sure if you're still looking at the Kioti CK20HST, but on the Kioti web site they state that the CK20 has position control on the three point hitch. If this is so, then I would favor the CK20 over the B7500.

bgsiii · Jan 21, 2004

Sorry, I have been away for awhile. Been too busy outside playing in the snow with my new CK20 HST TBL. Followed that lead someone had posted about a CK20 on ebay. I checked the site and found that the bid had been closed (think he had some trouble with Kioti on the issue). So I researched who the dealer was and found they were an hour away from me in PA. So I called him up, went to see the machine, made an offer and took it home the following weekend. I had not even gotten it home before putting it to work as I learned a friend of mine was running electric to his barn that same day, digging the trench by hand. So I told him I would stop to help, boy was he happy when I showed up with the tractor, had that trench dug in two hours.

I researched a couple of machines for several months and am extremely happy with the CK20. With winter set in and much snow to move I have not been able to tackle any of my other projects. My only problem has been when plowing and piling the snow. I ususally end up with this big pile of snow and now find myself thinking, maybe I'll move the pile over here.