Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

[Agvg]

Just responded to an accident with a brand new electric Jaguar. Tires were more for range than traction, road was snow covered and it was apparently moving right along. Glanced off a BMW and hit a tree. Wrecker operator mentioned he has seen a lot of these where the car is in regenerative breaking mode and the tires just skid on the snow , he had a good point. Turn off those Jake breaks ! Driver was fine but she said she hoped it was totaled. I said would you get another? She said no way ! That thing is terrible in the snow !

Drive on snow you must have winter tyres.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^

People who don't understand that probably also don't know how to drive in snow. I try to time tire purchases so that they are new in November.

 

[Agvg]

New VW ID Cargo, second day in use.

 

[Grumpycat]

Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

Deadhead miles and opportunity costs make electric vehicle ownership dramatically more expensive than just your average car powered by a gas engine.

jalopnik.com

Lame “research”. Adds massive charge for home charging hardware.

They tried to factor road use taxes. There, I surrender: EVs are more expensive than ICE. My Tesla drove 5461 miles last year on $200 one size fits all in lieu of gas tax. Or $0.0366/mile.

Subaru drove 2713 miles on 94.51 gallons at $0.28/gallon for $26.46. Or $0.00975/mile.

EVs are taxed 8x greater than ICE.

Gale’s Model 3 LR qualifies as their midrange price Point for comparison. 0.260 kWh/mile at Fuel Economy 3&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

$11.60/100 miles is $0.116/mile, at 0.260 kWh/mile is $0.446/kWh. That is Hawaii cost of electricity. National average is $0.15.

12,000 miles at $11.60/100 is $1392. A Tesla mobile connector is $230. The chart shows nearly 1/3rd of the $1392 is “amortized” cost of charging hardware. Doesn’t pass smell test. Of course if you tell the electrician “it’s for a Tesla” a 240v outlet will cost thousands. The parts cost $70 for receptacle, box, cover, breaker, plus however much wire is needed.

Darn link has spaces, maybe it doesn’t work here?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV Cost Analysis 2022 Q4 Update.pdf

Maybe this works?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV\ Cost\ Analysis\ 2022\ Q4\ Update.pdf

 

[Agvg]

Silent and warm, no idling diesel for a 10 hours shift.

 

[/pine]

Lame “research”. Adds massive charge for home charging hardware.

They tried to factor road use taxes. There, I surrender: EVs are more expensive than ICE. My Tesla drove 5461 miles last year on $200 one size fits all in lieu of gas tax. Or $0.0366/mile.

Subaru drove 2713 miles on 94.51 gallons at $0.28/gallon for $26.46. Or $0.00975/mile.

EVs are taxed 8x greater than ICE.

Gale’s Model 3 LR qualifies as their midrange price Point for comparison. 0.260 kWh/mile at Fuel Economy 3&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

$11.60/100 miles is $0.116/mile, at 0.260 kWh/mile is $0.446/kWh. That is Hawaii cost of electricity. National average is $0.15.

12,000 miles at $11.60/100 is $1392. A Tesla mobile connector is $230. The chart shows nearly 1/3rd of the $1392 is “amortized” cost of charging hardware. Doesn’t pass smell test. Of course if you tell the electrician “it’s for a Tesla” a 240v outlet will cost thousands. The parts cost $70 for receptacle, box, cover, breaker, plus however much wire is needed.

Darn link has spaces, maybe it doesn’t work here?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV Cost Analysis 2022 Q4 Update.pdf

Maybe this works?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV\ Cost\ Analysis\ 2022\ Q4\ Update.pdf

The only thing lame is your response...! just because you don't like it does not make it lame...!

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

^^^^

People who don't understand that probably also don't know how to drive in snow. I try to time tire purchases so that they are new in November.

Years ago I drove the 15 miles from my parents home to our home after a snowstorm in my '66 Rambler American 6cyl, 3 on tree. Toolbox in trunk, no chains or snow tires. We had road to ourselves, wife thumbing her nose at all the 4x4s in ditches.
About 20 years ago, at parents home I was driving a Hyundai Accent manual shift, snowstorm, roads closed (I ran the roadblock )...got home fine. Advantage to me both times a straight shift and being alone on road, averaging about 30-35 riding center crown, slowly build speed each hill, topping them about 15 mph. Never ever touched brakes.

 

[txdon]

Gale’s Model 3 LR qualifies as their midrange price Point for comparison. 0.260 kWh/mile at Fuel Economy 3&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

Does his model Y enter the upper price point?

 

[sd455dan]

Each drive that I make the car and I are both learning more about the inputs to Auto Steer. I am pissing it off less and less of the time.

Model Y Owner's Manual | Tesla

Learn about Autosteer and its specifications.

www.tesla.com

Sounds like you are really getting to know the new Y. Pretty sure I will tick off the Autopilot as well

Lame “research”. Adds massive charge for home charging hardware.

They tried to factor road use taxes. There, I surrender: EVs are more expensive than ICE. My Tesla drove 5461 miles last year on $200 one size fits all in lieu of gas tax. Or $0.0366/mile.

Subaru drove 2713 miles on 94.51 gallons at $0.28/gallon for $26.46. Or $0.00975/mile.

EVs are taxed 8x greater than ICE.

Gale’s Model 3 LR qualifies as their midrange price Point for comparison. 0.260 kWh/mile at Fuel Economy 3&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50

$11.60/100 miles is $0.116/mile, at 0.260 kWh/mile is $0.446/kWh. That is Hawaii cost of electricity. National average is $0.15.

12,000 miles at $11.60/100 is $1392. A Tesla mobile connector is $230. The chart shows nearly 1/3rd of the $1392 is “amortized” cost of charging hardware. Doesn’t pass smell test. Of course if you tell the electrician “it’s for a Tesla” a 240v outlet will cost thousands. The parts cost $70 for receptacle, box, cover, breaker, plus however much wire is needed.

Darn link has spaces, maybe it doesn’t work here?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV Cost Analysis 2022 Q4 Update.pdf

Maybe this works?
https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV\ Cost\ Analysis\ 2022\ Q4\ Update.pdf

Wow 28 cents a gallon for gasoline , that is way less than I paid in 1974.

 

[Oaktree]

If we have money to burn why not give it to the makers of EVs?

Or maybe to people who actually need help.