Australian gun buyback explained.

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Interesting.
 
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What do people in Australia think of this? What of hunters? What is the crime rate there as far as housebreaking, assault, armed robberies etc? I see many different claims regarding the effect of this sweeping legislation. So you Aussies, tell us more please. It would be interesting. That's a very enlightening article. Thanks for sharing it.
 
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What do people in Australia think of this? What of hunters? What is the crime rate there as far as housebreaking, assault, armed robberies etc? I see many different claims regarding the effect of this sweeping legislation. So you Aussies, tell us more please. It would be interesting. That's a very enlightening article. Thanks for sharing it.

I would suggest that to fill this forum with the masses of statistics required to validate an argument would be counter productive as not many people would have the hours and hours required to read it and then extrapolate a concise opinion
Suffice to say on news reports from both countries (Australia & USA) all crime seems to be lower here on a population basis however it is growing.
With specific regard to the gun buy back scheme we are now back to the same level of gun ownership as prior to the commencement of this scheme
The one thing that is different between the Australian and American ethic is that the vast majority of Australians do not have a fixation on gun ownership.
Americans passion for the 2nd amendment is scary
The last 2 comments were not written to offend but are my opinion based on information here in my country.
 
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I also thought this was interesting and may present a bit more detailed information.

Gun Control in Australia (rev. May 09)

Yeah there is good information out there. I thought it was funny that the article only focused on "gun related" violence as being lower. Of course it is if you take all the guns. But it is the overall violence we care about right? I mean do I really care if I am murdered by gun or by knife? I am still DEAD!

I liked how the prime minister alluded to gun related suicides dropping.

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If you click on the graph you can see that gun related deaths were already dropping each year beginning around 1987. Then look at the spike in non-gun related suicides after the ban in 1996. Yeah they cured gun related...to bad the suicides still happened and the people are still DEAD!
 
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What do people in Australia think of this? What of hunters? What is the crime rate there as far as housebreaking, assault, armed robberies etc? I see many different claims regarding the effect of this sweeping legislation. So you Aussies, tell us more please. It would be interesting. That's a very enlightening article. Thanks for sharing it.

Politics & general individual perception don't necessarily equate to reality.....we've allowed the Australian "nanny" government to create/lead false presumptions post our "gun buy back" - the facts indicate we now have greater legal & illegal gun pwnership, gun crime with illegal automatic/assault type weapons has escalated, crime overall has increased & the population feels less safe/secure.............

Sure the article presents the how & the political/media induced "why", but fails entirely to address/support the outcome with any resilent facts: -

Interestingly the first so called "statistic" John Howard relies upon to support the 1996 reforms is the so called "wide consensus" of reduction in suicide, cutting firearm suicides by 74% - what he fails to mention is that the suicide in Australia remains significantly higher than the USA, (per 100,000 people) +7% in ages 15-24 & +22% in ages 25-34......so using Johnny's flawed logic one could also argue more liberal gun ownership prevents suicide (?) .....

John Howard also attributes to the 1996 reforms that there has not been a subsequent single massacre (of more than 4 victims) in Australia; again a flawed logic in that comparatively New Zealand ( a country that continues with legal ownership of semi/auto weapons & statistical historically similar mass shootings/gun owership to Australia prior to 1997) hasn't suffered any tragic event post 1996 either ......???

Despite John Howard's view & self praise of his initiative, most reseach/statistics would support if the amount our government allocated to the gun buy back was diverted for example to mental health/welfare far greater long term tangible socio/economic benefits would have been produced (with less risk of another massacre).

I think you'll find many more views/facts of Australians & others in the thread - http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/267124-could-aussie-tell-us-how-9.html

Unfortunately, IMO gun control is not as simple, nor with the perceived outcomes as our politicians & the media would like to have us all believe - what may or may not work in Australia is (again IMHO) largely irrelevant to the gun debate in the USA, this is an issue your citizens & government need to work through for appropriate resolution in a different culture/society.

I'm neither pro nor anti gun control, we need to hold government accountable for informing/acting upon all the facts/anticipated outcomes in a balanced approach to all socio/economic issues, benefits & costs - Australia at great socio/economic cost instituted gun reforms/buy backs in 1996 (& with arguably zero/neglible positive benefit/outcomes) directly from the tragic massacre in the same year of 35 innocent victims by a single deranged maniac at Port Arthur.
As tragic & confronting as gun massacres are, historically they are sporadic/extremly infrequent in Australia.....And yet interestingly, the Australian Federal/State Government & society remains correspondingly complacent in creating similar levels of all encompassing reforms/financial commitments & funding to address issues where there's signifcantly greater risk to life.............. such as bushfire mitigation/defence , a seasonally regular catastrophic event/threat with associated much more gross loss of life/property -in 2009 we tragically lost 173 people in the Victorian bushfires - with the majority of fires caused by clashing or fallen power lines or deliberately lit, already in 2013 upwards of 100+houses have been lost & many lives risked......concerningly of all the "firebugs" charged with lighting current fires let out on bail so their civil liberties are not infringed........and the power companies are not tasked with securing power lines more adequately above or better still below ground in fire prone areas......
 
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Politics & general individual perception don't necessarily equate to reality.....we've allowed the Australian "nanny" government to create/lead false presumptions post our "gun buy back" - the facts indicate we now have greater legal & illegal gun pwnership, gun crime with illegal automatic/assault type weapons has escalated, crime overall has increased & the population feels less safe/secure.............

Sure the article presents the how & the political/media induced "why", but fails entirely to address/support the outcome with any resilent facts: -

Interestingly the first so called "statistic" John Howard relies upon to support the 1996 reforms is the so called "wide consensus" of reduction in suicide, cutting firearm suicides by 74% - what he fails to mention is that the suicide in Australia remains significantly higher than the USA, (per 100,000 people) +7% in ages 15-24 & +22% in ages 25-34......so using Johnny's flawed logic one could also argue more liberal gun ownership prevents suicide (?) .....

John Howard also attributes to the 1996 reforms that there has not been a subsequent single massacre (of more than 4 victims) in Australia; again a flawed logic in that comparatively New Zealand ( a country that continues with legal ownership of semi/auto weapons & statistical historically similar mass shootings/gun owership to Australia prior to 1997) hasn't suffered any tragic event post 1996 either ......???

Despite John Howard's view & self praise of his initiative, most reseach/statistics would support if the amount our government allocated to the gun buy back was diverted for example to mental health/welfare far greater long term tangible socio/economic benefits would have been produced (with less risk of another massacre).

I think you'll find many more views/facts of Australians & others in the thread - http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/267124-could-aussie-tell-us-how-9.html

Unfortunately, IMO gun control is not as simple, nor with the perceived outcomes our politicians & the media would like to have us all believe - what may or may not work in Australia is (again IMHO) largely irrelevant to the gun debate in the USA, this is an issue your citizens & government need to work through for appropriate resolution in a different culture/society.

I'm neither pro nor anti gun control, we need to hold government accountable for informing/acting upon all the facts/anticipated outcomes in a balanced approach to all socio/economic issues, benefits & costs - Australia at great socio/economic cost instituted gun reforms/buy backs in 1996 (& with arguably zero/neglible positive benefit/outcomes) directly from the tragic massacre in the same year of 35 innocent victims by a single deranged maniac at Port Arthur.
As tragic & confronting as gun massacres are, historically they are sporadic/extremly infrequent in Australia.....And yet interestingly, the Australian Federal/State Government & society remains correspondingly complacent in creating similar levels of all encompassing reforms/financial commitments & funding to address issues where there's signifcantly greater risk to life.............. such as bushfire mitigation/defence , a seasonally regular catastrophic event/threat with associated much more gross loss of life/property -in 2009 we tragically lost 173 people in the Victorian bushfires - with the majority of fires caused by clashing or fallen power lines or deliberately lit, already in 2013 upwards of 100+houses have been lost & many lives risked......concerningly of all the "firebugs" charged with lighting current fires let out on bail so their civil liberties are not infringed........and the power companies are not tasked with securing power lines more adequately above or better still below ground in fire prone areas......

Well said. :thumbsup:

PH
 
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Besides hunting, ranch & sporting uses. A gun is a lethal weapon. It equalizes the force between peoples. A 90 pound woman/man with a pistol is equal to a 250 pound person bent on mayham. It also equalizes force between a citizen and the gov't. ( ...and before citing tanks & planes, etc. the gov't can use. Remember a sniper can immobilize & demoralize a great force.)

While statistics between Brits & US are bandied about, remember the relative prison populations of the two countries. Americans are more likely to face crime without police protection.

We are different than the rest of the world.
 
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As our population in Australia increases and guns become more prevalent its natural to expect gun deaths to increase. BUT the real point of interest now is not HOW MANY die but WHO is dying. The most common deaths now are probably suicides, and bikies shooting each other. Neither are a threat to me or my family. Frankly the more bikies and drug runners who kill each other the better as far as I'm concerned. I dont mix with them or care about them. What we do NOT have now are nutcases going on a rampage killing dozens of innocent strangers in shopping centres and schools.

For the average person Australia IS a safer place than it otherwise would have been. Pro-gun advocates don't seem to get this point and just seem to concentrate on total deaths.
 

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