2nd update on the Ford 1210 PTO problem.

[rabet]

Hi all,
I have just opened the hydraulic cover and removed the PTO shaft, looked in, not too much to see.
A few points I need to make before progressing.
I live in the jungle of Borneo.
I have a Ford 1210 manual (not worth the money I had to spend on the paper to print it) absolutely useless.
I have just spent the last 11 months rebuilding this from a complete heap of scrap.
The PTO shaft looks in as new condition although this tractor is over 40 years old. The person who owned the tractor bought it from
the farm he used to work for just before his retirement said "all the years running around the farm it only ever pulled a small trailer" now I wonder why??
A member of this site "Ptsg from Portugal" confirmed that what I see ref the hand turning of the PTO shaft is correct.
This tractor is a Manual transmission with single plate clutch.
From more searching I now know why this is fitted with a "one way clutch assy" Because it has a single plate clutch, if you are bush hogging, and the tractor stops forward motion, the momentum of the cutter blade turning would damage the gear train should it not have this one way clutch, (reversely powered) This I can under stand.
In the ford manual it does NOT indicate WHERE this unit is situated.

As far as I can see I have three options,
Replace this one way clutch unit
Scrap the tractor as it is useless without PTO
Think out side the box and do something else.

Replacing the clutch unit, I took some pics of what I thought might be the unit and went to a bearing supplier and asked them "can you get" They just laughed at me. No chance.
So is there any one out in the world who know where can get, can locate for me, or even send one to me, and does anybody know where to find it in the gear case.

I do not really want to scrap the tractor as I have overcome so many problems through the build.

Which leaves "thinking outside the box"
I have stated why people say you should have this unit, BUT I also have a Yanmar YM2000 tractor with single plate clutch which does NOT have this type of unit. So is it the designers of Shibaura tractors in Japan being over cautious or do you not really need one????
If I knew where this unit was located I could replace it with a standard bearing, or lock this clutch unit some how.

So as a last request to a very long post, does anyone out there, who has much more knowledge than me, know of this problem, know how to overcome and by what method, or even where is it situated because the manual just says "bearing"

I appreciate any help or advice anyone can give especially if they have solved this problem before.

Thanks for everything Rabet

 

[TractorTech]

The overrunning clutch is located in the rear end. It is #32 and #29, that Ford calls a countershaft. 2nd and 3rd pictures are the clutch. #4 is the countershaft/clutch hub Quite expensive components.
You could add an external overrunning clutch.

 

[rabet]

Thank you Tractor tech for reply, have had a good look at what you sent and I notice that it is showing Ford 1215 (mine 1210) and states production after 87, where as mine is around 84, also I do not see anything like what your pic show, in my transmission. Any other advice please.

Rabet

 

[TractorTech]

So yes, that is a 1215. The 1210 manual shows the overrunning clutch in the rear transmission/rear end. It may be like the 1215 or part of the PTO engagement coupler. Not clear.

It appears to be part of the coupler

 

[rabet]

Hello Mr tractor tech, you have been a massive help, my manual does not even have a section on the gear box, rear case only. If mine is the same at least I know where it is. your second thumb nail pic, item number 3 One-way bearing, do you have any idea where it can be obtained from please??
I will remove the oil again and top of gearbox and have a look in. your manual is far better than mine, like I said it was not worth the cost of the paper to print it.
I look forward to your reply
Many thanks
Rabet

 

[TractorTech]

Rabet, if you were in the states, I would recommend a salvage yard, but you’re not.
My advice is take it apart and see who made the bearing. Maybe it is salvageable.

The 1210 is a different setup and bearing than the 1215/1220, but those bearings are not available from New Holland.

 

[sandman2234]

Not sure I understand exactly what you are referring to with the over running clutch. I was not aware that the 1210 came with one installed.
As far as needing an overrunning clutch to keep the momentum of the bush hog from pushing the tractor, they make them that go on the pto shaft with a female/male ends so you just need to shorten your bush hog drive shaft to fit.
Overrunning Coupler PTO Clutch Fits Ford/New Holland 1-3/8" 1.375" 6 Spline | eBay

I kind of feel bad, as I have a complete bell housing and back sitting in the shed out back. Bought it for $200 a year or so ago, just in case I ever need any parts for mine. Mine is also 2 wheel drive, standard shift.
David from jax

 

[TractorTech]

Not sure I understand exactly what you are referring to with the over running clutch. I was not aware that the 1210 came with one installed.
As far as needing an overrunning clutch to keep the momentum of the bush hog from pushing the tractor, they make them that go on the pto shaft with a female/male ends so you just need to shorten your bush hog drive shaft to fit.
Overrunning Coupler PTO Clutch Fits Ford/New Holland 1-3/8" 1.375" 6 Spline | eBay

I kind of feel bad, as I have a complete bell housing and back sitting in the shed out back. Bought it for $200 a year or so ago, just in case I ever need any parts for mine. Mine is also 2 wheel drive, standard shift.
David from jax

Being that the 1210 (and other models) has a transmission PTO, it has an internal overrunning clutch. I wasn't aware of this until this post, but it does exist.

 

[rabet]

Hello Mt Tractor Tech, I drained the oil today and opened the gearshift cover and looked in. Well I think I might have seen it, but not 100% sure. may I ask a favour please, as your manual is far better than mine, could you find the relevant pages that detail how to remove this overrunning clutch and if possible email them to me as it does not look easy. There is a chance that this clutch might just be all gummed up as this tractor has never used the PTO.

Thanks for all the comments that have been sent, much appreciated

Rabet

 

[thclimer]

Messicks is a reference for parts, please confirm this link is for your exact model and year:

New Holland 1210 - 3 CYL COMPACT TRACTOR(01/83 - 12/86) Parts Diagrams