Stove Pipe

[LouNY]

I'm sure there are variations of approved underground pipe for gas...

My last install required a pipe that was coated in a yellow plastic wrap over a almost tar like coating...

I was replacing with a permit 50 year old black iron that rusted out and found by the odor and sound of gas escaping...

Going to be putting a large propane tank in they are specing poly coated copper for the direct bury.

 

[D&D]

I have natural gas to the house, I could trench over a line and maybe do a furnace or heater that way... but that would probably be more expensive.

IMO, that would be the better option. Check Craigslist, fb, etc find a high efficiency furnace

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[D&D]

Going to be putting a large propane tank in they are specing poly coated copper for the direct bury.

Might want to look into gas flex instead.

Products – GasFlex

gasflex.com

 

[etpm]

Once the natural gas heater is up and running, we will then shift our focus to insulation.

When we had our house built about 18 years ago we left the basement unfinished. I wanted to save money and do the insulation myself. However, it turned out that hiring a crew to do the insulation was less expensive than me buying insulation. I was shocked. Their price, including the insulation, was cheaper than me buying insulation. I guess they buy so much insulation that they get a much better price than I could.
Eric

 

[LouNY]

Might want to look into gas flex instead.

Products – GasFlex

gasflex.com

Per the installer that came out to look over the site and take the info back to get me an estimate no go up here by code.
I'm not sure if that is the case or they just don't care to work with it.

 

[5030]

Going to be putting a large propane tank in they are specing poly coated copper for the direct bury.

Interesting. Around here it's bare flexible copper line.

 

[5030]

Sadly, the only 'natural gas' I have I cannot combust but it sure does stink.

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting. Around here it's bare flexible copper line.

There is a 1950's subdivision the same same... all soft copper.

I had to use the coated black pipe inside the city.

 

[WinterDeere]

Interesting. Around here it's bare flexible copper line.

All of our direct burial has to be a sheathed and vented product, such as TracPipe PS-II. Very expensive stuff.

I have 3" conduit from our gas regulator to the house, outside fireplace, and grill, and they used to allow regular poly-coated stainless (eg. TracPipe CounterStrike) in that. But since the line is buried for about 2 feet between the risers and the start of the conduit, we had to upgrade to PS-II on the most recent inspections.

The damn stuff is so expensive, it made stove pipe look cheap! I think it was over $1800 for 100 feet of line, pulled through existing conduit.

 

[D&D]

Per the installer that came out to look over the site and take the info back to get me an estimate no go up here by code.
I'm not sure if that is the case or they just don't care to work with it.

It is NFPA (code) approved. Most likely they’ve never used it so therefore….it’s no good. w/e

 

[5030]

There is a 1950's subdivision the same same... all soft copper.

I had to use the coated black pipe inside the city.

I don't live in the city and won't live in any city for that matter. One, I don't like neighbors in close proximity and Two, you cannot farm in the city.

 

[geteh]

Good to know. Thank you for the responses thus far.

I figured a pellet stove would put out as much heat as a typical stick burning stove. I wanted something more, set it and forget it. Leave it run to keep the shop above freezing. The up's and down's in temps accelerate condensation, so I figured it would be best to keep it above freezing all the time. I'm not looking to make it the shop so comfortable I can work without a coat. That would be nice, but probably not practical. However, if a pellet stove cannot get there, then...?

My shop space is a 30x60, so not a small one, but not huge either.

I have natural gas to the house, I could trench over a line and maybe do a furnace or heater that way Virbu Inc Cell phone store in Hernando, FL... but that would probably be more expensive.

thank you so much for your suggestion

 

[Gord Baker]

Stove pipe is expensive when it is double insulated. I don't have pellet stove experience, only wood stove, but the pipe only needs to be double insulated in enclosed areas. It's actually better to have single wall pipe in the inside of the occupied space since you get more heat that way. If you don't have an attic/ceiling in the shop, the only place you need double insulation is when you penetrate the roof. Probably you would want double insulation outside also to help the draft.

Sounds like life would be a lot better if the building was well sealed and insulated.

There is Smoke Pipe which is heavier that Heating Pipe. One for chimney.

 

[sundaystrange03]

Keep in mind that Harmon is by far the most expensive solid fuel burning units on the market today and far as I know, none of them are corn biomass capable.

In my opinion, Harmon's are pretty units but I'm not into pretty, I'm into functional and all of them basically do the same thing and that is rapid oxidation of a solid fuel source and produce heat and all of them must be at least 80% efficient or again they cannot be sold domestically.

I've been using biomass stoves as supplemental heat for over 30 years now so I'm very experienced with it. I own 3 units, all corn (biomass) capable and they are all 100% solid state (computer controlled) and they all run on remote thermostats as well. Strictly for supplemental heat and I'd never consider them as a primary heat source, simply because the cost of manufactured pellets today is prohibitive and I frequent all the biomass forums and have for decades.

I need to add something of importance and that is...

There are only 2 manufacturers of pellet / corn venting, Simpson Duravent and Selkirk Industries and always keep in mind that they DO NOT interchange. Each manufacturer uses their own proprietary interlocking design so you CANNOT mix them successfully as they won't interlock with each other and both are expensive because the design on pellet venting entails a stainless inner liner with a defined air space between the stainless inner and the galvanized outer shell. All pellet venting has to be UL approved como ativar microfone nas configurações do Windows 10 and certified by Warnock-Hershey testing labs or it cannot be sold in this country.

Yes ,When I’m using mine, I clean the internal components at least once a week. A couple of times during the heating season, I also take apart the external venting and clean it from the inside.

 

[WinterDeere]

Yes ,When I’m using mine, I clean the internal components at least once a week. A couple of times during the heating season, I also take apart the external venting and clean it from the inside.

Good practice, if you're referring to a pellet stove. Clean the burn pot weekly, and the venting yearly. But you're not going to get a response from 5030, he passed a few months ago.